Illegal Stop and Frisk in Manchester, VT

Discussion in 'Vermont Gun Forum' started by chrisrhodes1110, Feb 27, 2013.

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  1. chrisrhodes1110

    chrisrhodes1110 New Member

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    To whom it may concern,

    I went to the wrong website, where people think owning a gun is a crime.
     
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  2. Axxe55

    Axxe55 The Apocalypse Is Coming.....

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    you walked around with a firearm on your back, were stopped, disarmed, questioned, given a ride home, and your rifle returned to you and you feel your rights were violated?

    and what did they document? it's called an incident report. the officer has to fill one out. he simply stated in it, theat he questioned you about carrying a rifle in public and reasoned that you were telling the truth and that no further action was needed.

    you're making a mountain out of a molehill! you're rights were not infringed. the police officer was just doing his job. he didn't arrest you, or book you into jail and confiscate your rifle.

    so your other thread, " I Need A Lawyer" didn't get the responses your hoped for or the sympthy you felt you would get either so this must be the reason for this thread.

    suck it up and grow up and start acting like an adult if you expect to be treated as an adult. you lost nothing but some of your displaced pride and some time out your day.
     

  3. chrisrhodes1110

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    Let me guess, you're a cop? The reason I wasn't arrested is because I didn't commit a crime, not cause of officer was a nice guy lol.
    And if you call be branded a threat to police for doing nothing is legal you need to go back and read the constitution, aren't cops supposed to support and defend the constitution?
    Look at the time I posted. I bet if you were branded a threat to police for exercising your rights, you'd be pissed too.
    But I guess cops don't gotta worry about that these days, being the super-citizens they are.
     
  4. AR10

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    How many forum threads are you going to fill with this?

    Reading the lines, and between the lines, you could easily be pegged as a troubled youth.

    You have listed your first and last name, your town, and the street you live on, as well as the patrol officer that contacted you.

    How hard do you think it would be for Homeland Security & Obama to do an executive order on your kester, and place you under lock and key for several years while they evaluate your usefulness to society?

    I would be deleting a couple posts, and try to reblend quietly into society again.
     
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  5. Axxe55

    Axxe55 The Apocalypse Is Coming.....

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    no i am not a cop. and your rights were not violated. they haven't branded you a threat to the police. more likely branded being stupid in public, but so far they can't throw you in jail for that yet.

    get over it and grow up. you're sounding like a spoiled little kid and your posts are getting kind of boring. it's been explained to you in much detail and you still don't seem to understand. so anything further would be a waste of time. get a lawyer if you can find one that would even take your case, (which i seriously doubt) and spend a lot of money to find out your rights weren't violated. have a good night.
     
  6. chrisrhodes1110

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    Dude your just sounding like a dick, I may have made a judgement error in walking home with my gun but it was my ONLY CHOICE. That does not make me a criminal. I know they added me to some list cause the cop told me so.
    I don't know what it actually says yet, but if you can be more respectful it would be appreciated. I came here looking to see if anyone could point me in the direction of someone to represent me, not to be berated by some dick with nothing better to do.
    Are you a constitutional lawyer? Cause if not just hold you 'opinion'.
     
  7. Axxe55

    Axxe55 The Apocalypse Is Coming.....

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    let me inform you here a little. i'm not your dude and i am not a dick. you're acting like a spoiled child with this "cause' you have dreamed up in your mind that your rights were violated and infringed. they weren't. the officer was doing his job and you got your feelings hurt. grow up and get over it.

    what list? you keep saying this over and over again. you're on some list and you have been documented? you are really starting to sound really foolish. you have been told several times by many of us, your rights were not violated. you don't have a case. if you disagree, get a lawyer. ever heardof the Yellow Pages? it's called a phone book! look under Attorney's.:rolleyes:

    Edit: i think the mods really need to close this thread. some people can't seem to understand simple English.
     
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  8. chrisrhodes1110

    chrisrhodes1110 New Member

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    This is a great 'gun supporting' community huh?
     
  9. Rick1967

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    Hey Chris, there are some really knowledgeable people on this forum. But it doesn't sound like you are making many friends. And for the record I agree with AXXE55. Your rights were not infringed apon. An AK is not a normal carry weapon. If we go around drawing attention to ourselves, attention is what we get.
     
  10. AR10

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    Glad you took my advice and erased some posts. Next, put your guns up, till you understand how important they are to all of us. Your little walk in the park, was bad for all of us, that keep our guns quiet, and unseen and hope and pray we never walk the streets with ours.
     
  11. DrumJunkie

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    This pretty much sums it up...
    To the OP
    Look, you say a call come in and LEO responded. Law abiding or not you are still the man with a gun. Be happy they gave you a ride to keep another asshat form calling in on you. And them HAVING TO COME OUT AGAIN. You got a ride and not in the back so it was not like they where treating you too bad. Most times cops would say "I'm not a cab" and went on leaving you to deal wit hsome other cop after some Obamaphile called on you again. Police keep pretty good records so having mulktipule calls and no response might not look too good on them. They kind of have to respond to man with a gun calls.

    I say it all the time. I'm all for legal open carry. I do it myself kind of often. But I undserstand that if someone calls in on me acting all skeert I'm still the man with a gun. They have to deal with that accordingly.

    Are you familiar with local PD?
    Are they familiar with you?

    These are important questions. See, I have had police stop me for similar reasons and sure I could be like one of those YouTube douche bags and get all belligerent. but I find it much easier to just say This is who I am run it if you want, you'll see I'm not a problem. Now, if the same LEO was to stop me every time he seen me to just be an ass I might see it differently. but I am familiar with local, county, and state police form range trips and the few times I was stopped and talked to and now they might get a call and drive by, see it's me and just go on with a wave. Or maybe stop to see what new toy I've picked up. Admittedly though I don't walk around wit ha rifle or carbine on my back. But the rules are the same and I would deal with it the same.

    You where not hassled, you got a ride form a cop that didn't have to. You where not charged. It sounds like you where a pen cam away form making another one of those YouTube vids and without it you chose t post it here.

    Bottom line if I read your post and thought the cop was out of line I'd be the first to say it. I do not give LEO a pass because they have a badge. And sometimes police to get out of line. I just don't see it this time....Sorry.
     
  12. Axxe55

    Axxe55 The Apocalypse Is Coming.....

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    you need to understand that owning a firearm is a right and one i support very passionately. but it's also a responsibility as well and that seems to elude you.

    how old are you and why weren't you driving yourself? you said you were forced to walk be cause you got left at the gun range. well maybe you need to start planning ahead when you do these things. you thought that no one would notice a person walking down the street with a rifle and not say something and when the officer responded and quite professionally i might add, he disarmed you, for his own safety, he questioned you, gave you a ride home and gave you yor rifle back an your feelings are hurt and you think you have a rights violation case. does that about sum it up?

    you act foolishly and come on this forum thinking we are going to symapathize with you and tell you what you want to hear, and when we point out the facts and the truth of the matter, your feelings got all hurt, then you started calling me names. well your maturity really is shining through.

    i wish you much luck in life as with your attitude, you need all you can get!
     
  13. drvsafe

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    This IS a great "gun" supporting community, don't knock it simply because you're not getting the exact response you were expecting. i have found members here to be somewhat harsh, even abrasive, but above all not afraid to speak their mind. and that is something you and I are both entitled to as well.

    Everyone makes error in judgment at some point in their lives, some more than others. I'm happy that you realized that in spite of your right to do as you chose, you made one when you chose to walk home with your guns slung on your back. There may or may not have been probable cause for the officer to stop and question you but in my humble opinion, the officer DID the right thing. I would have placed a call to them had I seen someone walking down my block with a rifle slung on their back.
    This country is litigious enough without your wanting to take any sort of action but feel free, I'm sure you can find a lawyer willing to accept a retainer from you to pursue a case against the police in your town.
    But though many legal issues are discussed here, this is a firearms forum not a law forum. So it's best that you check your local yellow pages for an attorney.
     
  14. gunsmoke11

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    We're not made from one mold here. Try AK Files Forums if you like midget brained nazis that easily fall into line with anti cop, anti Jew, anti govt all the time. Everyone's tried to reason with you , but not liking the answers your getting is angering you.

    I'm retired LE, but strong 2nd Amendment. A cop has a right and even a duty to question someone who is openly carrying a weapon whether it's allowed, or not. It's the same with driving. He can stop to see your license registration and proof of insurance at his disgression. The law allows these things.

    Don't sling your gun over your shoulder in public and all will be forgotten unless you don't let it. There are too many horrible things being done to gun owners that are worth considering law suits against. You have nothing here and try not to get a reputation of a boy who cries wolf.:)
     
  15. chrisrhodes1110

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    What about Debeery v US when it states, a firearm where legally carried can not be the sole reason to justify reasonable suspicion?
     
  16. Axxe55

    Axxe55 The Apocalypse Is Coming.....

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    you know what would be a better idea? instead of looking for a lawyer, why don't you go to law school and become one.

    or you could always represent yourself!:rolleyes:
     
  17. chrisrhodes1110

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    Us V Debeery http://caselaw.findlaw.com/us-7th-circuit/1027378.html

    I like the last paragraph when it says, "I do not agree that this case would necessarily come out the same way if Illinois law, like the law of many states, authorized the carrying of concealed weapons.   At that point, the entire content of the anonymous tip would be a physical description of the individual, his location, and an allegation that he was carrying something lawful (a cellular telephone? a beeper? a firearm?).   This kind of nonincriminatory allegation, in my view, would not be enough to justify the kind of investigatory stop that took place here.   It would mean, in states that permit carrying concealed weapons, that the police no longer need any reason to stop citizens on the street to search them. "

    Then we have Delaware v Prouse
    http://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/historics/USSC_CR_0440_0648_ZS.html
    which says, " People are not shorn of all Fourth Amendment protection when they step from their homes onto the public sidewalk; nor are they shorn of those interests when they step from the sidewalks into their automobiles"

    So according to the Prouse case it didn't matter whether I was in my own home or walking down the street, reasonable suspicion a crime had been committed is needed before they stop and search me.
     
  18. chrisrhodes1110

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    BTW Gunsmoke thought I'd dispel you rumors. I'm actually pro-Israeli, unlike most of my generation. I am from a military family and am planning on joining myself, regardless of this bs. If my record still looks the same as it did a week ago I won't move to sue my PD, but otherwise I'm going to have to in order to clear my good name, because that's all I have at this point.
    "I'll know porn when I see it", and I'll know my rights have been infringed when I feel it.

    I'm more of pissed people would be so ridiculous about it, disagree, but disagree respectfully. I have and I'd ask you all do the same.
     
  19. Colby

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    We understand that you are upset. That technically you were legal. And you feel that you were "talked to" ... what? .. unnecessarily? But there is nothing to sue about, or for, here. There are no damages. Where can you go with this. Try to get "unangry".
    Things can't always to perfect. The police have a duty to respond to frightened people reporting a man with a gun. They have to. The man with a gun could have been the start of a very serious problem. They cannot ignore that. And that is what you were that day.

    Try to step back and look at this from outside yourself - look from another's perspective. Pretend that your grandmother looked out her window and saw a man walking around with a gun. This is very unusual. Wouldn't you want her to call the police? If she called you about it in a panic - would you advise her to call the police and lock her doors??

    Story:
    I was in a gunshop a year ago and there was a cocky young guy talking to the other young guys across the counter (workers) bragging about how he has the right to outside carry - and he has done it - and that the police responded to calls about him - and that they - like in your situation - did not arrest him or ... He bragged about how they are "just going to have to get used to dealing with me on the streets with guns". It went on and on with that guy - the bragging about his rights.
    I couldn't believe how the young guy was being so unsophisticated as to place himself so casually in potentially bad situations. Why would he do that to himself? Because that is what he was doing - doing bad things to himself. What does he think he is accomplishing?
    He was simply being young - and not very bright. But that is kind of what being young is about. Many young do not have the good sense to respond to many life situations correctly - and they make poor decisions - because their thinking is not good and they do not have life experience to base good decisions on.

    ----------- I left that gunshop thinking that young man is going to have a lot of trouble in life. And having trouble early in a person's life can mess up their entire life - and result in a very troubled life - and a life with no real future.

    I hate to sound kind of preachy - but I have had friends who did similar dumb things when they were young. They had bright futures ahead - but they did these dumb things when they were young - got involved with bad people - then the police - and ended up unable to get meaningful work the rest of their lives. My old best friend was one of these. After decades of no work, or sacking groceries in supermarkets, he was finally able to get a job as a mailman with the post office. He had been preparing for medical school - and was a smart guy - young. But - thought he was smart... and - wrecked his life - by being stupid. He still is so ashamed about the mess he made by poor decisions when he was 18 and 19 that he no longer contacts any old friends from his youth. I've been to his parents" funerals - and saw him - but that's about it - and we were best friends. He left town - contacts no one - many decades later.

    This is real stuff. This life stuff. Don't set yourself up for trouble. Think about what you are doing, and it's effect on you - not just this dumb gun stunt (cause that is what this is) - but about all the stuff you do in life.

    And try to listen to older people - they have been through a tremendous amount of stuff. Stuff that you cannot even imagine. And the smarter ones have learned from their own mistakes and the mistakes of others that they have seen. Unfortunately, some people never seem to learn and keep doing dumb stuff their entire lives. But be smart enough to listen and figure out what is intelligent and what is not. Not just what is emotional and what makes you mad.

    A person does dumb stuff early (young) - and it can become unrecoverable - all the doors in life start closing. Is this worth it? To walk down the street by someone's grandmother's (maybe yours) house carrying guns - that you know good and well - will, and should, cause concern by people. Where is the good sense here?

    Think about this stuff. Don't agitate for nothing. It will only cause you trouble. And don't set yourself up for trouble in life. Because it will find you. Ask yourself - if what you are doing or planning - is it helpful to your overall situation. Don't put yourself in bad situations.
     
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  20. AR10

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    Citing case law makes this thread go from unfortunate to choreographed

    If we have a fiction section, can we move this thread over please.

    I have officially personally banned this thread from my computer and shall not return.
     
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