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Or ignore it since the ATF cant stick with one position for 15 min.
All of those stupid "Pistol Brace's" shouldn't have ever been approved to be legal. They are just like Bump Stock's and Binary Trigger's. It's just people trying to get around having to spend a lot of money on a "Real" machine gun or short barreled rifle, and doing it by legal means.

While I don't agree with 99% of the laws / rules that the BATFE has or comes up with. The simple fact is that guy's still try to "Beat the System", and then cry foul when that product is called illegal.

I paid for the tax stamps when I bought 2 machine gun's back in the 80's, and I've paid them for the 7 suppressor's that I have. Yeah, It sucks, but it is what it is!
 

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the problem is in the inconsistent application of an arbitrary determination of a bureaucratic decision without the force of a true law.

the problem is that political appointee of a former president can make a thing that was determined legal illegal at the stroke of a pen.

the problem is that any random dipstick with a word processor can write to a government agency asking a question about a rule that was never legislated and get a random answer in writing, which will not agree with the random answer they would have received if the letter had landed one desk over in any direction, and these random contradicting answers are treated as law.
Actually, it is pretty complicated to change the rules. You have to do public hearings, then post intent, and then reply to comments, and then repost, and finally add it to the federal register.

Nobody gets to just change the rules. Remember when the Supreme Court shut down the Trump changes to DACA because they didn’t follow the regulations on how to change the rules? Trump just changed the rules, with out going through the process.
 

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If Heir Biden the idiot takes office. He/they will immediately proceed with Executive Orders violating every aspect of the Constitution, our Rights legal or not! His people already have been in contact directly with the ATF to turn it into a Gun Control Agency. Semi Autos, Magazines, Pistol braces and 80% guns were of immediate discussion and The Democrats pledged to eliminate them.
Hopefully the Courts will stop them from taking office, but this Terrorist Organization will redouble their criminal and treasonous assaults on 2A Gun Owners, the entire Bill of Right and our Republic!
i think there are over a billion firearms in the People's hands and a trillion rounds of ammo ,except here, Will you have the Starch to stand up for our Christian Nation or will you bend over and kiss the Communist ***? Not one of you say you will bend and abandon our Republic,but unless you have been there you better do some praying and soul searching and make a commitment to God, Country and family!
 

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Will you have the Starch to stand up for our Christian Nation or will you bend over and kiss the Communist ***? Not one of you say you will bend and abandon our Republic,but unless you have been there you better do some praying and soul searching and make a commitment to God, Country and family!
I'm not sure what planet you live on but America is NOT a Christian Nation.

In fact practicing Christians are in the minority of Americans.
 

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All of those stupid "Pistol Brace's" shouldn't have ever been approved to be legal. They are just like Bump Stock's and Binary Trigger's. It's just people trying to get around having to spend a lot of money on a "Real" machine gun or short barreled rifle, and doing it by legal means.

While I don't agree with 99% of the laws / rules that the BATFE has or comes up with. The simple fact is that guy's still try to "Beat the System", and then cry foul when that product is called illegal.

I paid for the tax stamps when I bought 2 machine gun's back in the 80's, and I've paid them for the 7 suppressor's that I have. Yeah, It sucks, but it is what it is!
Point being you should not ever have had to pay the gov to allow you your RTKABA.

For years the ATF said nothing. Knowing that braces were being bought by law abiding gun owners in good faith.
Just like the NRA and Trump pushed the ATF to ban bump stocks, this little infringement spree has Biden and tribe driving it . Heck he met with the ATF before hes even in office.

Congress could have castrated the ATF while when the publicans controlled it.
They didnt.
But the ATF is a rogue agency . Had been for decades. And needs to be disbanded.
 

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America was founded by Christians. Our Constitution is written around Christian Principles.
Recently thanks to Covid Edicts/Restrictions lot of Churches aren't meeting but around here not attending Church people are wary of you. We still say grace around the table and live by the Bible. If you espouse and use moral principles, it is because of Christian Influence.
The Socialists and Communists have done great damage to the Christian Church,starting with our kids in School, where to have any reference to any aspect of the Bible, God or Christianity may get your child punished and the parents as well in the Democrat Hells!. Teaching of perversion, Satanism, Islam and hate and anti Christianity is perfectly ok.
But here in God's Country it isn't that way except i n the few Democrat cities or Hells.
Despite Barrack Obama,while still in office declaring America (will not be) was no longer a Christian Nation. We beg to differ. we go to church instead of fishing on Sunday morning before going to the lake. I don't know where you live Trunk Monkey but I don't think, I want to, if indeed the Anti American anti Christian Democrats have persuaded everyone to abandon God and Country.
 

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America was founded by Christians. Our Constitution is written around Christian Principles.
America was founded by Diests. If you don't believe me go check out the Jefferson Bible.

I think most of our founders attended Christian churches because that was the social Convention of the time but going to church doesn't make you a Christian any more than going to McDonald's makes you a hamburger.

To bring this back to the main topic

1. The title of this discussion is misleading. Owning an AR pistol does not make you a felon. Putting a stock on it and turning it into a short-barreled rifle does.

It really doesn't matter what we think the National Firearms Act has been settled law for almost a hundred years.

The Supreme Court has never said that it was unconstitutional. In fact, I would say that it is what Amy Coney Barrett calls a super precedent because (that I'm aware of) no one's ever challenged it or if they did the Supreme Court held that it is Constitutional.

So within the framework of our laws and our Constitution it's the law until it is repealed.

Under those circumstances I don't see how the BATFE could do anything but find that those pistol "braces" that everybody knows aren't braces, aren't braces. They're stocks.

If I'm growing weed in my backyard I can call it "Industrial Hemp" all I want but it's still weed and when the DEA arrests me calling g my weed "Industrial Hemp" isn't going to keep me out of jail.

If you're really willing to sacrifice for our constitutional freedoms go buy yourself a "pistol brace", put it on your AR pistol and let them arrest you. Now you have standing to sue. Go do it.
 

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Brought to you by the same administration that brought a bump-stock ban.
 

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One article on the subject. Click on the link for the full article, which includes FOIA revelations, acknowledgment of meetings with the Biden team about anti-RKBA efforts, etc.


The ATF’s False Narrative Surrounding the Legality of SB Tactical Pistol Braces Exposed @ TheTruthAboutGuns.com, 11/25/20.

Since April 2017, when BATFE reversed its ridiculous assertion that touching a pistol stabilizing brace to one’s shoulder magically redesigned it into a shoulder stock, all has appeared quiet on the pistol stabilizing brace front. At least publicly. Until this year, that is. 2020 has brought no shortage of unwelcome surprises, including a few from our favorite federal regulatory agency, the ATF. Here are more details of what’s been going on . . . .

In June, we learned of Congressman Matt Gaetz (R – FL) targeting the ATF for its shifting “standards” and “rules” regarding what constitutes a pistol brace, and how the agency has refused to set objective standards with the firearm industry. This sparked concerns that the ATF was going after braces — accessories they had previously approved — and seeking to restrict them. Made public for the first time, these were issues that had been worked on within the industry for years, including with direct cooperation between attorneys representing firearm industry manufacturers and the top lawyers and officials within the ATF itself and the DOJ.

Then, as we neared the election, the ATF dropped an October surprise, declaring some braced pistols were actually SBRs — NFA-regulated short barreled rifles — only to later back off that determination under pressure. That declaration was in direct disobedience to the Department of Justice’s edict (which happened, in a big part, thanks to Rep. Gaetz with help from brace manufacturer SB Tactical) that ATF could not pursue any new rulings or regulations on pistol braces without first setting clear standards for the accessories in cooperation with the firearm industry.

The DOJ had barred ATF’s Firearms Technology Industry Services Branch (FTISB) from doing this. They’re the department within ATF that has historically created all of the approvals, reversals, reversals of the reversals, double-secret rules (e.g. 13.5-inch length of pull limit rule RE braces), and approval determinations of pistol brace designs.

The ATF got around the DOJ’s edict by having a Special Agent from the agency’s Boston Field Division (“banned in Boston?”) of its criminal branch issue these cease & desist letters. Yes, that was in flagrant disregard of the clear intent of DOJ’s order. Still, the ATF found a way to circumvent it in an attempt to hurt the Trump administration in the run-up to the election and potentially mount a future attack on our gun rights.

All of which brings us to today. Well, yesterday. Perhaps you saw the Ammoland article detailing a 2018 letter — provided to Ammoland and others as part of a FOIA request — that was sent from ATF to SB Tactical accusing the company of selling braces that were never ATF-approved.

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Bottom line if Biden gets in office it will probably not be long before we all will become Felons. Or some will cowar down to a tyrannical administration. Anyone who believes they are not planning on coming after our Guns and Second Amendment has a false sense of reality and has their head buried in the sand.;)
Get ready! But the Fat Lady has not sang yet. IMO We are going to see some drastic changes soon. Dufus & Company isn't in the White House yet!
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