If I have anxiety disorder can I still buy a gun?

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  1. death01

    death01 New Member

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    Long story short, I may apply for Social Security disability benefits(http://www.disabilitysecrets.com/medicine-medication-prescription-drugs-anxiety-disorder.html). I think I will go in the "system" as a guy who as a disability, Its kind of like if someone commits a crime, it is with them for the rest of their life? I think if I do, it will be on my record for the rest of my life, and it will prohibit me from buying a gun? I dont know if it will also prohibit me from owning a gun. Should I buy a gun now, and then apply?
     
  2. trip286

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    Here's what I always suggest: NEVER try to beat the system. If you know, or are pretty sure, you're about to go on anxiety meds and get ssd, then WAIT until you do that. THEN try to purchase a gun legally. Fill out the form honestly, and if you get denied, sorry. But if you get "proceed", then you did everything the right way.

    Last thing anyone needs to do is screw themselves legally by trying to work around the system or being dishonest. It causes a bunch of hardship. I would know, a friend and I are doing a lot of "come to jesus" type of talking with some very nice gentlemen *gag* whilst trying to keeb my buns out of the fire right now. And all I did was trade a menial service for some wild game meat.
     

  3. c3shooter

    c3shooter Administrator Staff Member

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    Under Federal law a person is prohibited from acquiring or possessing a firearm if they have been "adjudged mentally incompetent". That means that a govt appointed authority has entered a formal legal ruling that this person is not responsible for their own actions.

    Case- I am severely depressed, and decide on my own to seek help. I check myself into a treatment facility, or I seek outpatient counseling. That is NOT "adjudged mentally incompetent".

    Case- A police officer finds me sitting nude in the middle of a golf course, crying. When asked what I am doing there, I tell them I am trying to keep the dandelions from blooming blue this spring, but the wheels fell off my balloon. A judge reviews my case, orders me to be committed for observation in accordance with state law. Doc finds that I am severely delusional, am not mentally competent, and unable to care for myself. Judge orders me committed for treatment. I am now prohibited from possessing any firearm. At some later time I may be able to have that right restored.

    YOUR case- sorry, I don't know. I do not THINK you would be prohibited, but would urge you to discuss that with an attorney in YOUR state.

    Now, having gotten the law as I understand it ( and I am NOT A LAWYER) out of the way, could we talk practicalities for a minute? I do not know your circumstances, and I do not know how severe your problem is- but do the terms anxiety disorder and gun go together?
     
  4. Rocky7

    Rocky7 New Member

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    Good luck, trip286.
     
  5. Axxe55

    Axxe55 The Apocalypse Is Coming.....

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    i would sugggest discussing this with an attorney that understands gun laws.

    the advice you get here is worth every bit of what you can get anywhere on the internet and just as valid.

    and no, i didn't stay in a Holiday Inn last night either!:p
     
  6. therewolf

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    I wouldn't apply for benefits just yet,

    OP.

    FIRST, go to a few LGSs, and try to even

    FIND a gun you can stand to consider

    owning. Then, after putting up with about

    8 of the snobbiest, snottiest sales clerks

    you ever met in your life, and you recover

    from the sticker shock, on your maybe soon

    to be prize, you can pony up the dough,

    and begin the process of firearm purchasing.

    We'll keep this hellish story short, and not

    delve into those details, at the moment.

    Let's just say you purchase your fine

    little pill-thrower, then locate the only

    range within 300 miles of your neighborhood,

    THEN you can go deal with a couple RSOs

    who have had way too much coffee, and

    were born with a giraffe up their a**.

    You get home, and every person in a 17 mile

    radius wants to ridicule you for being a

    "gun nut", if you even bring up the subject

    of firearms or shooting.

    Maybe THAT will give you a new outlook on

    "Anxiety Disorder"...
     
  7. Steel_Talon

    Steel_Talon New Member

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    IMHO "If" your on anti anxiety pills as part of your disability treatment then it would probably be a deal breaker......With Obama care all of your records are now being computerized and entering into "the Cloud" and can be easily accessed.
     
  8. Mercator

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    For anxiety to disable a person, it has to be severe. Saying "go for it" would be irresponsible, and I am not an expert to categorically say "no". I hope it works out in your best interest.
     
  9. TekGreg

    TekGreg Lifetime Supporting Member Lifetime Supporter

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    The problem here is that many, many, many more people take minor doses of psychoactive or anxiolytics as prescribed by a doctor and lead perfectly normal lives. The doctor is treating them, they buy the drugs and manage them at home without problem. This does not make them "Adjudged mentally incompetent." Many people have high-pressure jobs and may have Xanax for minor anxiety attacks, yet ,are nowhere near he definition of firearm exclusion.

    ObamaCare is another attempt of the government to practice human control under the auspices of controlling mental health. This is akin to the DEA practicing medicine by telling doctors the conditions under which the can issue pain killers and how much. Because of this intrusion into medical care, untreated pain is now one of the largest epidemics in America. When the government takes over mental health care, I'm sure we will all be found crazy because of our "unnatural" desire to possess "killing devices." We have all obviously had undiagnosed psychotic issues and need to be "monitored"...right after we remove everything more dangerous than a teaspoon from your home.
     
  10. Rocky7

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    Just read your link. The whole thing sounds like a scam to me.

    IMO, the only ones with real "anxiety disorder" in our countries are those of us who harder and harder to pay more and more in taxes to give it all to people who either don't deserve it or think they have some duty to run our lives. Makes me pretty anxious, anyway.
     
  11. Mercator

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    Anxiety, like autism, is increasingly used as an umbrella term to cover things more serious that have unpleasant names.
     
  12. John_Deer

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    The question on the 4473 asks have you ever been adjudicated. It doesn't ask if you were anxious because you went through a nerve racking process (SS disability application...over 70% of applications denied the first time.). No where does the 4473 ask if you are anxious because you are living on a fixed income. The form 4473 asks has a judge ever found you to be mentally incompetent.
     
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  13. clr8ter

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    Am I going to be the only one here to comment on the obvious? If someone has "Anxiety Disorder" to the point of not being able to work, needing meds, and needs to go on SS Disability, (that IS what we're talking here? I'm guessing, OP didn't specify), they seriously have NO business thinking about buying a gun. For so many reasons. Now, if they are not that bad off, can work, and want a gun, well, that just goes to a different spot. They have NO business going on SS Disability. That's being lazy, and going on the Dole. (Don't ask my specific opinion on that issue.)

    Now, if there is an in-between, like a SS program that will simply help them afford medication, well, I don't know.

    That's my opinion, and I do not apologize for it.
     
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  14. death01

    death01 New Member

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    I dont want to risk being rejected when I go to buy a gun. I think i have severe social anxiety, its very hard for me to interact with people, i have no freinds. I think i could qualified. Im perfectly capable of owning and using a gun, its not like im crazy or something. All I am is very shy and nervous around people, thats all.
     
  15. death01

    death01 New Member

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    Damit it says something about a judge.

    "Applications for Social Security Disability (SSD) and SSI disability are evaluated on the basis of both physical impairments and mental impairments. Because disability claims examiners (who work on disability applications and disability reconsideration appeals) and disability judges (who render decisions at the hearing level) base their decision to approve or deny a claim on how disability applicants' conditions limit them, it is in an applicant's best interests to point out everything that is wrong with them. Disability claims examiners and judges are required to consider all impairments listed on the disability application, and they are more likely to make decisions that are favorable to applicants when they have access to more information regarding applicants' conditions and their history of treatment for these conditions."

    Lets suppose its true, that a judge has to approve me, Ill be labeled as mentally impaired or something with the word "mental". This may prohibit me from buying a gun or maybe even owning one for the rest of my life! I need and want a gun,

    I'm thinking if I should first buy a gun and then apply. Im, sure if i do this ill have no problem in buying the gun.
     
  16. willshoum

    willshoum New Member

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    Define mentally incompetent..................

    LoL............All the peoples with the intent to kill with all the means at thier disposal..... Be it car, knives, machetes, poison, GUNS COME TO MIND, forget the rest...........LOL.............Why is it guns bring more attention................HOW MANY PEOPLE DIE ON THE HIGHWAYS EVERY DAY......................................................In China, gun restiction, a bunch of nut cases hating the Gov. Go on a killing spree in a train station. The first words I heard was, JUST THINK IF THEY HAD GUNS INSTEAD OF KNIVES. And that was from the American peoples.................If the poor chinaman was carrying an AK 47 he would have killed the perps.........................Damned if you do and Damned if you don't...........................:mad::mad::mad:
     
  17. death01

    death01 New Member

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    I cant risk getting denied. First i buy a gun, it may ask me if i am mentally incompetent or something along those lines, i will say no, nothing illegal there. Then i go apply for ssd, lets say it asks me that i cant own a gun or something, then im pretty screwed, do i lie so i get ssd or do i say the truth and get denied, ahhhhh. I think i will have to risk getting denied ssd, i would rather have a gun and not have ssd then have ssd and not have a gun.
     
  18. clr8ter

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    You NEED one, huh? Why?

    This could have described me when I was in HS, and my early 20's. I got over it, and fail to see why it would involve SS Disability. Do you have a job? If you get SSD, do you plan to have a job?

    Maybe you should take a look at Form 4473 on line. It's a standardized form that doesn't change. The wording is confusing, but specific. Read the questions several times, it will become clear. It's a yes or no answer, nothing more.

    BTW, if you have anxiety issues, how do you plan on going shooting? At the range will be people, lots of noise, rules to follow, etc. Probably not the best place for somebody with anxiety issues.
     
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  19. Bluestar99

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    I'm sorry but this seems like an irrational decision. "You would rather have a gun and not have ssd then have ssd and not have a gun." If you are incapacitated to the point of needing ssd to survive in this world, then having a gun is the last thing you need. It makes me wonder what you want the gun for?
     
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