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I've been tirelessly searching for reliable ak-47's but to no avail. I was going to get an ar-15 but I read Ak's can withstand much more so I decided to go with that. Can anyone please help me. I want an ak that'll last a long time that I don't have to modify. Something simple, yet fun, known for its reliability.
 

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If you want an AR, get an AR.

Probably the roughest treatment any civilian will give a rifle is in 3 gun competitions. AR's dominate in that field.
 

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If you want an AR, get an AR.

Probably the roughest treatment any civilian will give a rifle is in 3 gun competitions. AR's dominate in that field.
I second his statement. Also if you plan on hitting anything consistently at better than 75-100 yards, then get an AR. My brother had an AK and the word "accuracy" should not ever be used in the same sentence with AK47 unless you include the words "piss poor" directly in front of it. Now if you plan on heading out and just randomly blasting off rounds then I'm sure an AK47 would be fine, but if you want your shouts to count get an AR. You would not regret it.
 

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I wouldnt give over $600 for a carbon 15, but with the market the way it is, thats not a terrible price.

Id save my money and get a good one when the market settles down.
 

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sputnik1988 said:
I wouldnt give over $600 for a carbon 15, but with the market the way it is, thats not a terrible price.

Id save my money and get a good one when the market settles down.
There's also a windham for less that a thousand. About 950-999
 

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Not crazy about the Carbon 15. I would recommend you look into building your own. There's a lot of great info in the stickies in the AR forum.
 

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I'm aware. I was responding to the first 2 posts.
Oh.... Didn't notice that......
I have a couple of SAIGAs and a carbon 15. I gotta say, the AR is far more accurate. Lighter, too.
 

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I don't want to build it because I'm kind of lazy and I wouldn't want to wait on parts, plus I wouldn't want to do it wrong. I feel like I've been all over the place. It's frustrating trying to research all the info.
 

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I don't want to build it because I'm kind of lazy and I wouldn't want to wait on parts, plus I wouldn't want to do it wrong. I feel like I've been all over the place. It's frustrating trying to research all the info.
Buy a stripped lower. Get lower parts kit and buffer tube kit and install. Buy a complete upper.

As someone else said, if you want anything accurate, get an AR. AK = pray and spray.
 

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Buy a stripped lower. Get lower parts kit and buffer tube kit and install. Buy a complete upper.

As someone else said, if you want anything accurate, get an AR. AK = pray and spray.
Where do you recommend I buy the kit?
 

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Would cabellas sell kits like that? Pardon my ignorance, I'm new to all of this.
Google stripped lower receiver etc, lower has to be transferred of purchased through an FFL, that is the only part. Everything else can come directly to your door.

It's not hard, plenty of step by step literature on the forum here, and web as well. YouTube videos are out there too. Read up on the AR15 primer sticky in the AR sub-forum. Great information that explains everything.

Good luck and have fun.
 

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I purchased a Daniel Defense lower parts kit off of Amazon. You can find parts on Amazon, MidwayUSA, CheaperThanDirt, and many others.

Shove your lazy down as far as you can, and start reading. It's not really that difficult to build a lower yourself. Shoot, I did it, and I'm probably lazier than you are. ;)
 

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I purchased a Daniel Defense lower parts kit off of Amazon. You can find parts on Amazon, MidwayUSA, CheaperThanDirt, and many others.

Shove your lazy down as far as you can, and start reading. It's not really that difficult to build a lower yourself. Shoot, I did it, and I'm probably lazier than you are. ;)
Lol I wish I could pay someone to do it for me lmao
 

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Apart from dragging your AR through a muddy swamp, landing on it after jumping out of an airplane, or firing it underwater the AR is a reliable carbine IF it is lubricated.

A Colt 6520/6720 with a MagPul PMAG magazine is about as compact, lightweight, and reliable a weapon as a civilian needs. The aluminum USGI magazines that come with the carbine are range use only, IMO.

If you frequently find yourself in mud, fine sand, snow and ice, or underwater then perhaps the AK is a better option.

The ergonomics, balance, weight, accuracy, availability of parts, and options for optics and weapon lights all favor the AR. The AK is more reliable in adverse conditions, that's it. The AK-47 and AKM fires a more powerful cartridge than the AR-15. The AK-74 fires a slightly less powerful cartridge than the AR-15.

Arsenal makes solid, reliable AK's built to Russian or Bulgarian military specifications. Arsenal guns are new manufacture weapons with all new parts built by Russians and Bulgarians, not used parts kits with new receivers built in ways that may vary considerably from original design specifications.

That said, parts kits are not necessarily all beat up and worn out. Some will be perfectly serviceable, but you'd only know that by eyeballing all the parts and having the knowledge to discern unserviceable parts from serviceable ones. If you can afford to have a gunsmith like Jim Fuller build an AK for you with a parts kit in good condition, you'll have a properly built, reliable, and accurate infantry weapon. Purchase some Bulgarian Circle 10 steel reinforced polymer magazines or steel European or Chinese magazines (if you can't obtain reliable polymer magazines) and you're GTG.

The 5.45 ammo is the cheapest, but 7.62 ammo hits harder and is still pretty cheap. The brass cased 5.56 ammo is considerably more expensive, in normal times, than 5.45 or 7.62.

I prefer steel cased Golden Tiger for AK's. From experience, the Golden Tiger seems to burn cleaner and is more accurate than Wolf or Tula in my AK's. The Golden Tiger ammunition has both a bullet and primer sealant applied, so it's ideal for storage. I have tried Winchester white box cartridges in my AK's, but they are slightly less accurate than Golden Tiger and cost considerably more. It's odd, but that's what I've observed from using Wolf, Tula, Golden Tiger, and Winchester.

I prefer Federal M193/XM193 55 grain FMJ for AR's. That is what the AR's were originally designed to use. The M855/M855A1 62 grain FMJ enhanced penetration or actual AP ammunition is not suitable for home defense and more expensive than M193.
 

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6 in one, half dozen in the other. It doesn't matter, just buy quality.

Krebbs > all the rest but Arsenal is quality at a reasonable price.

Colt/DD/BCM/HK
 

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I purchased a Daniel Defense lower parts kit off of Amazon. You can find parts on Amazon, MidwayUSA, CheaperThanDirt, and many others.

Shove your lazy down as far as you can, and start reading. It's not really that difficult to build a lower yourself. Shoot, I did it, and I'm probably lazier than you are. ;)
Don't buy from cheaper than dirt, they are no longer cheap, they have jacked their prices during this time of shortage and are ripping people off left and right. Just my opinion, but I refuse to support any company anymore who is raising their prices rediculously right now, they are charging 150 bucks for 500 rounds of .22lr....... and just like the ammunition store, 60 bucks per thousand of wolf primers..... more than double the normal price... it is up to you, but I am just pointing out we shouldn't support these ripoff companies.....
 
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