ID Help..

Discussion in 'Blackpowder & Musket' started by TheOldMan, Dec 18, 2012.

  1. TheOldMan

    TheOldMan New Member

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    Fella brought this over for me to ID.. LOL well there are no markings on this rifle to work off of so I thought I'd post here for the experts to chime in... The ONLY markings on this rifle are a "P" and a "1" on the inside of the barrel. It's a P over 1.. appears to be .50 cal. The fella is offering it up for sale so I'd like a good assesment if possible.
     

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  2. 303tom

    303tom Well-Known Member

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    Looks like a Hawkens rifle kit to me, rather nice one too.................
     

  3. nitestalker

    nitestalker New Member

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    It looks very much like a Green River Mtn. Rifle made from a kit. The GRs were quality made in Roosevelt, Ut. in the 1960s. The Browning Mtn. Rifle was a copy of the GR. Can you see the likeness?:)
     
  4. Vikingdad

    Vikingdad New Member

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    Yup. Kit of some kind.
     
  5. trip286

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    I've got it identified for you. It's gorgeous.
    I'm wondering though, if that's "browning" or rust on the barrel?
     
  6. TheOldMan

    TheOldMan New Member

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    No rust on the rifle at all.. It's got the old time rust blue finish on it.. I've included pictures of the rear sight that did not make it the first go around.. I'd also like an estimated price for this rifle if possible....
     

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  7. 303tom

    303tom Well-Known Member

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  8. trip286

    trip286 New Member

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    From the link, it appears that the TOW kit ruins 175-220. Are you looking to sell it? Or trying to find out if you paid too much?
     
  9. TheOldMan

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    I don't own the rifle.. Just getting info together for a friend.. It may be up for sale and that is why I'd like to know what it's worth... BTW, the kit price from the TOW site is over $700.. Not sure where you got the $175 - $220 from...
     
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  10. nitestalker

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    The "Hawken" today is a style of rifle that can be made by anyone. Hawken is a loose discription for any short half stock BP rifle of the late perc era. As a matter of fact back in the days they were refered to as "Yeagers" by the early hunters on the high plains. A Hawken type was a name made popular by movies. The Hawken Bros. gun shop had closed by the time they were famous.:(
     
  11. trip286

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    I'm not sure either. Those are numbers I saw, must've been looking at the wrong thing.
     
  12. HockaLouis

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    It's worth hundreds. It is plain, nice, and I fancy the caliber. Lotta commercially-made competition for its type these days...
     
  13. 303tom

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    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hawken_rifle
     
  14. TheOldMan

    TheOldMan New Member

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    Thanks for all of the input guys.. My friend is coming back by this afternoon to pick the rifle back up.. I've told him that although it's not conclusive, the rifle is worth at least $300 + It may be worth more but I was unable to match the screws and some of the other components with the higher priced TOW kit. Over all though, it's a very nice Hakens style rifle..
     
  15. nitestalker

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    If it were a real Hawken it would sell for around $20,000 of course most of us are adults. This is not a real Hawken it is a style. A fair price for a rifle of that quality would be around $700 dollars on todays BP rifle market. The parts and work to produce that rifle would make that a good deal. I would be most happy to pay $300 dollars and shipping for that rifle.