Iac hawk ejection problems.

Discussion in 'General Shotgun Discussion' started by beastmode986, Apr 30, 2014.

  1. beastmode986

    beastmode986 New Member

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    Well, I thought the problem was fixed since this thing tends to shoot better with bird shot. So heres my problem, whenever I shoot this POS it will eject about 60-75% of the time with bird shot. I went to the range a a few days ago and shot 30 rounds of 00 buck and 14 slugs. Each time I fired a slug I had to pull it out with my hand. It extracts fine but it wont eject, it basically pulls the round out and nothing more. I had to stick my fingers in the chamber and manually pull the shells out. Then I started shooting the 00 buck, same thing... Except sometimes it would fully eject or the shell would be hanging out half way. What is wrong with this thing?! I cant freaking figure out what it is. The ejector looks fine, the gun is clean, and everything else works flawlessly. I can provide pictures if needed to help diagnose the problem.
     
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    beastmode986 New Member

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    Anyone???


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  3. Axxe55

    Axxe55 The Apocalypse Is Coming.....

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    call the manufacterer and see what they have to say. what is the warranty period on the shotgun? if it has a warranty, then by all means use it.
     
  4. beastmode986

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    It is, I think I had to register it though. It was bought last june so its almost up. I emailed them about it and of course, no reply. Ill have to them tomorrow. Im kind of wondering what other people think the problem is though. It ejects perfectly fine with non fired ammo but once I shoot the spent shells are the issue.


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  5. kbd512

    kbd512 Well-Known Member Lifetime Supporter

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    I think I have an idea.

    Take the hull from an empty casing. Chamber it. Pull the trigger. Work the pump. If the empty hull comes out fine, then your extractor may not maintain enough tension on the casing for it to be knocked out of the chamber by the ejector because it's literally falling off the face of the bolt as it's withdrawn from the chamber.

    Solution, buy a new extractor spring and/or extractor after determining whether or not your extractor is damaged, out-of-spec, or worn.

    I don't have an IAC Hawk, but I do have a 870 Police Magnum. I've seen this with worn or damaged extractors. So, is the extractor maintaining tension on the shell as it is withdrawn from the chamber or does it let the shell drop down onto the shell lifter?
     
  6. kbd512

    kbd512 Well-Known Member Lifetime Supporter

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    To be perfectly clear, the act of firing may be jarring the extractor loose and causing it to loosen its grip on the rim of the shell.
     
  7. SSGN_Doc

    SSGN_Doc Well-Known Member

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    Check the extractor hook, make sure there is enough clearance from the bolt face for the rim to get under. Also make sure the hook isn't nicked up, chipped, or rounded. Make sure the spring tension is strong enough to stay put and pull the shell out of the chamber after it has been fired and expanded. Then check the ejector and make sure it is extending out far enough from the receiver wall to hit the rim of the shell as you pull it back. Also make sure the groove in the bolt is not obstructed and causing problems with the ejector hitting the shell. Last thing I can think of is making sure the chamber isn't bored out too wide or have some groove or flaw that the expanding brass ends up hanging up in.
     
  8. SSGN_Doc

    SSGN_Doc Well-Known Member

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    Also make sure you are cycling with enough force to knock the shell out of the ejection port.
     
  9. beastmode986

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    ImageUploadedByFirearms Talk1399171512.046326.jpg

    Extractor looks like its sticking out too far? I also noticed the ejector wiggles a little, is that ok? ImageUploadedByFirearms Talk1399171567.880843.jpg
     
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  10. kfox75

    kfox75 Well-Known Member Supporter

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    This was my first thought. the other possibility that comes to mind for me is the little metal flat spring atached to the inside of the receiver. I saw the same issue with a friend's 870 a couple years ago. We field stripped the shotgun, and that spring was flat to the side of the receiver. I bent it out a little, finished the DCOR, and tested with a handful of empties.

    Part 20 on the diagram. It should protrude into the bolt path. It may not be out far enough to knock out a high brass shell.

    http://www.longhunt.com/schematics/popup_rem870.html

    Also, try a few different brands of shells. my dad had a Mossberg 5500 that wouldn't feed remington shells, performed at 50% with Federals, and absolutely love Winchester slugs when it came to feeding and ejecting. It could be an ammo issue.
     
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  11. beastmode986

    beastmode986 New Member

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    I have tried multiple brands, even when I rack the shotgun as hard as I can it wont eject.


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  12. robocop10mm

    robocop10mm Lifetime Supporting Member Lifetime Supporter

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    I was taught to diagnose problems by using the 8 step cycle of operation.

    1. feed
    2. chamber
    3. lock
    4. fire
    5. unlock
    6. extract
    7. eject
    8. cock

    Always look one step BEFORE the perceived problem. In this case, extract. Failjure to PROPERLY extract will look like a failure to eject. Defective extractor and or extractor spring would be my first and probably last look
     
  13. beastmode986

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    Does anyone know if an 870 extractor and extractor spring would fit since this is a clone?


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  14. SSGN_Doc

    SSGN_Doc Well-Known Member

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    Yes they should fit. Extractor isn't a problem to change by yourself, just make sure to go slow and not launch the spring and plunger. The ejector may need to be replaced by a gunsmith, because it is riveted in place.
     
  15. Axxe55

    Axxe55 The Apocalypse Is Coming.....

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    it depends on how closely they followed the design of the 870.

    IOW's, it may look and function just like an 870, but the internals could be sized differently just enough that nothing will interchange.

    IMO, you can either send it back to the manufacterer ad have it repaired, order the parts from the manufacturer, or try parts for an 870 and hope they work.
     
  16. Hookeye

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    Or ditch it and get an 870.
     
  17. beastmode986

    beastmode986 New Member

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    Ok thanks, I think ill try a new extractor and spring .


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  18. kbd512

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    Does the extractor hold onto the rim of the empty shell properly or does it fall off the extractor and nose down into the shell lifter as it's extracted from the chamber?

    Regarding the advice about getting an 870, I've seen 870's have this problem, too. Getting a new shotgun won't magically prevent the problem from happening.

    It's generally very easy to fix with a new extractor and/or spring.
     
  19. beastmode986

    beastmode986 New Member

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    Thats the exact problem^ guess ill get a new extractor and spring.


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  20. beastmode986

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    Well, put in a new extractor. Extracts way better than before but it still wont eject. What should I do now? I contacted them to see if it could be sent in for repair and they said yes and gave me an address but wouldn't reply to any of my emails after that. Should I try buying an 879 ejector spring and replace it myself? I read about what to do and it doesn't sound too hard.


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