I would too - how about you?

Discussion in 'The Club House' started by Mister Dave, Jun 30, 2020.

  1. manta

    manta Well-Known Member Supporter

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    You have no way of knowing that. When i say smart i mean keeping safe and protecting their property with out going out waving about firearms.
     
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  2. Gatoragn

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    The mob broke through a gate into a gated/private neighborhood where the rich liberal mayor lives. You know, socialism is for the people, not for the socialists.
     
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  3. Pasquanel

    Pasquanel Proud to be an American Supporter

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    Breaking the gate shows intent after that beware! If someone showed up here and destroyed anything I would consider it an attack and react appropriately!
     
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  4. RaySendero

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    Way too many armchair QBs here!
    1) They were there, you weren't
    2) They backed down the mob, saved their property
    with no shots fire and no injuries!

    If you think they did it wrong,
    Go find you a mob and try your plan - Theirs worked!
     
  5. Ghost1958

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    We do know that.
    They destroyed private property to illegally enter.
    Do you honestly believe with everything these mobs have done that after that type of illegal entry had they not been met with a show of force they would have stopped with the gate?

    The homeowners, by coming out armed saved their own home and likely other homes in that PRIVATE gated community.
     
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  6. G66enigma

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    I'd love to see an overhead map of the area. Something clearly showing where the destroyed gate was, the gate's proximity to that specific home, where the roadway was in relation to those.

    Big difference, I'd think, between a gated entry to an area of homes across a street and, say, an individual home's entry sidewalk that's blocked by a gate short of the front door. At least, in terms of "feel" of the reasonableness of the situation.

    Myself, if I lived in a "gated" community that blocked incoming vehicles and pedestrians over yonder, from coming into the few streets of the neighborhood, I personally would have a hard time believing I would be acting reasonably for drawing on a bunch of twenty people walking down the street. Even if they were loud, boisterous, even "protesting" something. But, that same group doing that same thing on my own property, approaching my specific door ... that's clearly something else, riskier. Either way, though, forcibly break down the gate(s) to enter a spot, and issuing threats/challenges, IMO that changes everything.

    Again, the devil's in the details, on this one.

    I suspect that's what the DA is wrangling with. Can't charge them with something unsupported by statute. And if the timeline shows aggressiveness, instigation, forcible damage/entry and threats beforehand sufficient to cause a reasonable person dire concern ... well then, it gets really "sticky" for a DA to dump on someone for daring to stand up and say "Uh, I don't think so" to an apparently manifestly violent group.

    If OTOH no such timeline can be shown, and if the only "proof" is of the on-the-instant video clips showing the actions of the homeowners, then the DA will have a freer hand; whether that turns out mere appeasement or actually the correct thing.

    It'll be interesting to see whether further evidence comes up. Such as, neighbors having witnessed things, other videos (ie, surveillance vids from neighboring homes or on that street area), etc.
     
  7. manta

    manta Well-Known Member Supporter

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    No you don't know, you are assuming there is a difference.
     
  8. Gatoragn

    Gatoragn Well-Known Member Supporter

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    Until proven otherwise in a court of law, I will give the homeowners the benefit of the doubt that the gate was properly secured and subsequently breeched by trespassers.

    You are free to have an opposing opinion.
     
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  9. Nmwabbit

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    Google Earth Link


    https://earth.app.goo.gl/u8rSDy
    #googleearth

    Per your request the google earth overview of Portland place, home of the st. louis mayor and idiot attorneys.

    gates about a block away from idiots house...here...
    Google Earth Link


    https://earth.app.goo.gl/Lb1WaL
    #googleearth

    paints an entirely different perspective...
     
  10. Nmwabbit

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    they didn’t back down anyone...except leave a safe haven to violate MO law on brandishing...

    and no Castle doctrine does not apply when you are the aggressor instigating the issue...
     
  11. 7.62 Man

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    It doesn't matter if the gate was properly secured or not, they have signage saying it is Private Property & No Trespassing. Locked or not it means do not enter.
     
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  12. Trunk Monkey

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    Are you aware that there's actually video of the protesters walking up to the gate and just pulling it open because it was unlocked?
     
  13. Nmwabbit

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    thanks for providing the cite to that video...
     
  14. Nmwabbit

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    use of deadly force to evict trespassers is not established in MO’s case law!
     
  15. Trunk Monkey

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    Cite please
     
  16. Trunk Monkey

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    Unlike you I back up what I say 28 seconds in you can see both gates are intact

     
  17. Ghost1958

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    We do know that.
    They destroyed private property to illegally enter.
    Do you honestly believe with everything these mobs have done that after that type of illegal entry had they not been met with a show of force they would have stopped with the gate?

    The homeowners, by coming out armed saved their own home and likely other homes in that PRIVATE gated community.
     
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  18. Ghost1958

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    It is in their statutes castle doctrine and stand your ground.
     
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  19. Gatoragn

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    A sign that says no trespassing and a closed gate should be considered properly secured in a civil society.
     
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  20. Ghost1958

    Ghost1958 Well-Known Member

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    Actually in states that have it it does apply. Here in ky castle applies to home and vehicle. Attempting to enter either illegally is all that is needed for the homeowner to initiate deadly force. Especially in MO where the property owner can by statute actually ATTACK a trespasser on any of their property , these homeowners acted with great restraint
    Safe haven has nothing legally to do with it.

    Even if they broke no gate they still opened a private gate and entered private property.
    The homeowners did completely legal actions and less than what they could legally have done
     
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