I think its a Bayonet

Discussion in 'Other Weapons' started by mrklean, Jan 21, 2008.

  1. mrklean

    mrklean New Member

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    My father has this in one of his display cases. I was looking at it and he took it out of the case and gave it to me to take pictures of and see if I could find any information on it, as he is baffled on what it is/where is it from/when it is from. If anyone could help me out on identifying it, it would be much appreciated.

    There is one marking on the sheath. It is too worn out to see but it is quite a long name and starts with a W. There are two markings on the blade. Each on 1 side of the base of the sword.

    Side 1:

    190
    1
    2 44

    Side 2:

    XOA

    Although I do not think it is an X because it looks to be a custom letter, you can most likely see what I am talking about it the pictures.

    Sorry for the poorer quality of the pictures, my D40 is currently in to be repaired.

    http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y22/nate987654321/Bayonet/000_0033.jpg
    http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y22/nate987654321/Bayonet/000_0032.jpg
    http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y22/nate987654321/Bayonet/000_0031.jpg
    http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y22/nate987654321/Bayonet/000_0030.jpg
    http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y22/nate987654321/Bayonet/000_0029.jpg
    http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y22/nate987654321/Bayonet/000_0028.jpg
    http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y22/nate987654321/Bayonet/000_0027.jpg
    http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y22/nate987654321/Bayonet/000_0026.jpg
    http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y22/nate987654321/Bayonet/000_0025.jpg
    http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y22/nate987654321/Bayonet/000_0024.jpg
    http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y22/nate987654321/Bayonet/000_0023.jpg
    http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y22/nate987654321/Bayonet/000_0022.jpg
    http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y22/nate987654321/Bayonet/000_0021.jpg
    http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y22/nate987654321/Bayonet/000_0020.jpg
    http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y22/nate987654321/Bayonet/000_0019.jpg
    http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y22/nate987654321/Bayonet/000_0018.jpg


    Thank you for your time.

    Nate
     
  2. fluffo63

    fluffo63 New Member

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    well my guess????

    ..it is a bayonet,,it looks to be world war II period,but from a
    Turkish Mouser rifle,or could be German,i hope i helped:D could
    also be Korean,
     

  3. mrklean

    mrklean New Member

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    I was guessing it was from the WW2 era. I also guessed that it wasn't American because it seems much too long to be American. I am guessing its around 18 inches long, I will measure it tomorrow.
     
  4. robocop10mm

    robocop10mm Lifetime Supporting Member Lifetime Supporter

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    Looks like mauser or maybe WWI American (1917?). The barrel ring looks bent, should be perpendicular to blade.
     
    Last edited: Jan 22, 2008
  5. 1984cj

    1984cj New Member

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    It has the same attachment arangement and grips as my Mauser bayonet but it is the length of an American 1917 or an Enfield carbine bayonet.

    I concur with Robocop that the barrel ring is bent.
     
  6. ScottG

    ScottG New Member

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    I guess we all can agree that the ring is bent! I'm not an expert on bayonets, but some similarities to a German WWII one I have is evident.

    The release mechanism on this Carl Eichorn matches yours:
    http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b361/OrangeEnt/bayonets/Picture202.jpg

    This is the release mech on a post WWII US Danish marked:
    http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b361/OrangeEnt/bayonets/Picture203.jpg

    This is the release mech on a pre WWI US Sprinfield Armory bayonet:
    http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b361/OrangeEnt/bayonets/Picture197.jpg
    http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b361/OrangeEnt/bayonets/Picture193.jpg

    It's a sixteen inch blade with a pointed tip, yours has a sword tip:
    http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b361/OrangeEnt/bayonets/Picture190.jpg
    http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b361/OrangeEnt/bayonets/Picture199.jpg

    I wouldn't be surprised if it's German issue or German made. Any other clear writing or markings on the blade anywhere?

    GIMF
    On the other hand, it could be an Australian rework for an Enfield....
    http://eheritage.statelibrary.tas.gov.au/resources/detail.aspx?OBJECT=bayonets&ID=FHR_00358
     
    Last edited: Jan 22, 2008
  7. BillM

    BillM Active Member Supporter

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    Enfield. I'm pretty sure No. 1, Mk III., .303 British. Will also fit the
    Ishapore No. 1 Mk. III 2A 7.62x51, but isn't the correct length.

    Long word starting with W might be Wilkerson? Wilkinson? something like that!
     
  8. Boris

    Boris New Member

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    I couldn't download all the pictures and those I did where a bit fuzzy, the French land line conection out here is a bit weather dependant. I thought i saw a British War office mark and from my limited view It was my opinion it might be a British M1907 bayonet for the Lee Enfield Mk 111 (SMLE).
     
  9. marysdad

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    Your bayonet is a British Pattern 1907 for the .303 caliber Lee-Enfield No. I Mk. III rifle. This example was made in February 1944 at the Orange Arsenal in Australia. The scabbard was made by a private contractor in Australia, Mangrovite Belting Pty. Ltd. The X is the bend test mark, indicating that the blade steel met specs. for tempering. The crosspiece is bent, but can probably be straightened with care. Otherwise it looks to be in great shape. Australian P1907 bayonets are worth about twice what a British one brings, so congrats on a nice P1907 bayonet.