I need sage experienced advice on BP substitutes

Discussion in 'Blackpowder & Musket' started by KAB, Jan 23, 2012.

  1. KAB

    KAB New Member

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    I don't have much experience fireing cap and ball revolvers with Pyrodreck or Tripple 777 , so let that part be known . Most of my experience is with real Holy Black Powder , like 98% of my entire life of shooting these revolvers .
    Question is : how long will an "unopened" container of Pyrodreck last , and Tripple 777 last ?
    Question #2 : how long will a open container last if the seal has been broke but cap is tight on the bottle ?

    I have a bottle of each of the mentioned substitutes that are at least 10 plus years old and the seal has been broke on each . Are they any good ? Just shoot them and try it isn't the answer I am looking for , I need a real experience responce here , and thanks you very much if you can answer these questions .

    Now go outside and play would ya ! :D I'm gonna :p
     
  2. KAB

    KAB New Member

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    What . no brilliant people here on BP Subs ? Thats surprises me , and I still haven't figured out the answer no matter where I look ?
     

  3. towboater

    towboater Active Member

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    Never used it before. I've only used pyrodex pellets, and BP.
     
  4. c3shooter

    c3shooter Administrator Staff Member

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    Too many variables for a simple answer. Pryro has been in a couple of different packages, temp/ humidity where stored, etc. IN GENERAL- Trip 7 is PURPORTED to have a longer shelf life than Pyro- how MUCH longer, don't know.
     
  5. KAB

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    Thanks Yall

    Thanks , and some of my inquiry is because if ever hoarding BP Substitutes for Armageddon , would it be pointless to do so ? If it goes bad before too long and there are still canabals trying to eat you , then the Subs wouldn't be worth much except for flavoring on said Zombies right .
     
  6. Durangokid

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    I use Triple 7 in my Perc. revolvers. Tresco Nipples for Subs and Remington Caps. Never had an issue with storage. T 7 delivers 15 % more velocity per volume over my Chrono. It is easy to clean up and works with conicals or round balls. Caution, make sure it is compressed or accuracy will suffer. As with any Perc. hand gun remove and lube nipples with Anti-Sieze every few months. I load for Hunting and Field use so I use powerful loads only. This was fired at 25 yds. .457 RB 147 grs 10 to 1 Alloy 1,200 FPS.

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  7. Durangokid

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    This is a Rogers & Spencer Target Mdl. Euroarms .457 Caliber. These are strong accurate handguns. They can equal my favorite ROAs.
     
  8. towboater

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    Dang, thats putting some speed on em. How much triple 7 would be a standard load? Say 30grain of fff
     
  9. Durangokid

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    30 Grs. of 3 F T 7 will produce 950 FPS with a RB and very accurate in my ROA. The ROA will give 1,000 FPS with the Lee .456 220 gr. conical with 35 grs. of T 7. I load the Lyman .452 255 grs Kieth bullet over 35 Grs. of T 7 in the ROA for 800 Fps. Note I am using a Ruger Old Army. The Rogers & Spencer will handle the heavy RB loads. Colt and Remington copies should be loaded with less powder. No brass framed guns what so ever with the T 7 Powder.:eek:
     
  10. KAB

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    Rogers and Spencer

    The Rogers and Spencer are definately nice , strong , accurate . I like mine quite well too .
    Do you have any long term storage experience or do you shoot your powder up quick ?

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  11. KAB

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    I tend to migrate to the WartHog loads too in the R and S :D

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  12. Durangokid

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    The front sight on the service Mdl. does not look right. Nice guns. Euroarms has dropped them from production. DPS builds a custom R&S special order $1,300 dollars. No storage is not a problem. It should be kept in a cool dry dark place. I had some 30 year old Pyrodex which had been opened and it worked just fine.
     
  13. KAB

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    Thanks

    Thats the experience I was looking for , thank you ! :)

    Umm yup your right , the front sight on the Standard Model is a Soldered on Lyman .
    I couldn't hit crap with the brass pin that came stock . :D
     
  14. KAB

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    The Lyman I used was a small bead on top of the base blade , works very well . I think it came out well too , not a bad solder job , so far its stayed on , years later . Even punished by Tripple 777 , obviously .

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  15. towboater

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    Nice lookers for sure.
     
  16. Durangokid

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    KAB it is nice to find another shooter who has discovered the Rogers & Spencer. I have a friend here in Wyoming who has one. I have tried and own a number of C&B handguns. I am a shooter so my favorites are the R&S and the ROA.:)
     
  17. KAB

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    Bummer

    Bummer that Euroarms has stopped making them . One of thier stupider desicions for sure . I hope if someone else picks up the Euroarms dies for the R and S models they keep it to the tight standards that Euroarms had set for the R and S . To give it to Pietta would be a travisty probably unless they make a special department in Pietta like they did for the LeMat revolvers stricktly for the R and S . Lets hope Uberti gets the dies or wants the dies . Not many people can afford or desire a David Pedersoli R and S , so were screwed apparently in the market of getting a reasonably priced reproduction of the R and S anymore . I bought both of mine for under $350 each new, but notice whats left of them are over $400 to $450 if you can find one ?
    Bad part of all this is Euroarms made so many dang models of this gun , some even with Walther Barrels , engraved models too , and now were can't get any of them anymore , well that just bites :mad:
    Unfortunately if you have never shot a R and S , your desire for one is low because you probably don't think the price is justifiable at $450 .
    The scurge of $150 to $200 mediocre revolvers with crappy finish and ugly trigger pulled Piettas has ruined the market for Mid-Range revolvers like the wonderfully accurate and beautifully finished R and S .
    That , and people are stupid mostly and really dont understand quality comes with a price :D

    And yes , DurangoKid , it is always good to see someone else with one , as I KNOW they understand , and also probably dont think like normal people either . :D
    Which is a good thing !
    So I am am hanging onto mine , untill they pry um from my cold dead freekin hands . ;)