i need info

Discussion in 'Revolver Handguns' started by outlaw206, Oct 13, 2013.

  1. outlaw206

    outlaw206 New Member

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    I have a chance to buy a civil war colt for $1200 the guy that has it says he can trace its leanage back to a ssg in the war...i keep hearing how Mr. Colt kept meticulous records of his craft but i cant seem to find a serial number list of any kind so does any one know about .36 civil war colts a price guide and how i can make sure its not just a decorative repop ( i dont know yet if it is a 51 , 61 or a 71 army/navy ) souch details come at the end of the week when i get to see it
     
  2. hiwall

    hiwall Well-Known Member

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    Be very cautious! We obviously can not give you anything without knowing what it is.
     

  3. outlaw206

    outlaw206 New Member

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    I am and also cant waite until the end of the week when i get to see the peace for myself but any info as to what (even a wide aray of civil war colts that are papered ) are going for would help
     
  4. c3shooter

    c3shooter Administrator Staff Member

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    #1. Buy the gun, not the story.

    #2. With antique firearms, condition drives worth MASSIVELY. The difference between a 10% gun and an 80% gun is about 1,000% of the value.

    You need to ask, how did the seller come to be able to obtain the provenance (documented history) of the gun? Is he a serious collector, a dealer in antique arms- or he is Joe Schmuck? I know one dealer that if he told me he had Bobby Lee's personal belly gun, I would believe it without seeing it. Know another "dealer" I would not believe if he had a photo of Sam Colt holding the gun.

    In doubt, see #1 above.
     
  5. danf_fl

    danf_fl Retired Supporter

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    You know, there are a lot of good reproductions out there.
     
  6. outlaw206

    outlaw206 New Member

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    Ty c3 im just starting to collect antique arms i have collected & delt in 'modern' arms for quite some time and other than repops ie: gen 2/3 colts this is the first ( authentic?) colt that has came my way and i have seen very good fakes made from a 1990s fp repop
     
  7. Cheeseman

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    Just watching "Pawn Stars" will tell you there are gobs of fakes out there, even more Civil War era anything. Be careful
     
  8. outlaw206

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    I know cheese im trying to really watch my 6 on this and i just found out that if you google Colt serial numbers it will take you to a link set up by ( the new colt after the 2003 separation ) to where you can surch there database for active colt numbers and if yours dont show up any results then they give you a number to call them direct ( might prove to help in the authentication process ) as far as a $ value goes im going with c3 on this one and buying the gun not the story
     
  9. hiwall

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    Those old colt's had just about every piece with the serial number on it. Frame, cylinder, wedge, everything. there is so much to know about them that some guys specialize in just one or two models. We will all gladly help you but alot has to be done in person. Every collector carries a magnifier in his pocket for a reason.
     
  10. outlaw206

    outlaw206 New Member

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    I know thats right ty
     
  11. outlaw206

    outlaw206 New Member

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    Ok update it is a mod 1851 navy made in 1862 and i also learned that it is still fire ready ( not that i would ever try but i guess someone has ) it is a numbers matching peace and colt has already confirmed its year make and everything right now there compiling a complete history for me and a letter of authenticity ( all at no light cost i might add ) more to come with pix ;-)
     
  12. DrumJunkie

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    Wow that sounds really cool. I'd want to see all the documentation and look it over very carefully. I don't know that I can spot a really good fake but I have seen a few examples of bad ones. Like the screws being wrong, parts not being all serialized etc.

    1200 seems a bit inexpensive for a for it not being a repro. At any rate I'd love to see pics if you do get it.:)
     
  13. outlaw206

    outlaw206 New Member

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    If i get it pix are going to be ample and at my best guess the way to spot a fake is by first paper if it matches then we move to disassembly and i was looking at a few and last night and documented peaces in fair to good condition are going from 3-4500 so im good at 1200 but that dont mean i will pay that 1200 was his first offer im thinkin we should open at about 700 and go from there
     
  14. outlaw206

    outlaw206 New Member

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    If it turns out to be a repop ill offer about 150 - 200 if its a fake ill tell him i have enough paperweights lol