I just have one question.........

Discussion in 'Legal and Activism' started by KalashnikovJosh, Jul 29, 2012.

  1. KalashnikovJosh

    KalashnikovJosh New Member

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    Of those,on either side of the imaginary political isle "left or right",who support "gun control" by endorsing any of the facets of it- from prohibited possessors and background checks to regulations on "scary weapons" and magazine restrictions,registration,etc etc.

    Just one question,if you please.

    How do you suppose anything GOOD can come of a practice so steeped in EVIL?

    From laws used to support slavery,to plagiarized Nazi laws used to literally disarm those they then systematically marched to gas chambers,I think you people need to justify your positions.

    History is absolutely full of the evil uses of "gun control" by tyrants who have enslaved and outright murdered huge numbers of people.

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    What makes you think that somehow modern day America is different,that our experimentations with laws historically abused by evil tyrants can be any different?

    Justify yourselves in the face of history.

    Justify yourselves in the face of all that the policy of "gun control" has enabled to murder.
     
  2. dog2000tj

    dog2000tj New Member

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    it's the same rational that is used by elitists all the time - they think they know better than our founding fathers :cool: They have studied "utopia" in school and therefore believe that they can implement one ... if only the people would submit to it :cool:

    Ignorance is bliss they say? :confused: Ignorance of history is dangerous :(
     

  3. KalashnikovJosh

    KalashnikovJosh New Member

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    What baffles me are the supposed conservative pro-2A types who support laws disarming "criminals",even tho the "prohibited possessors" list not only comes from laws a nation their fathers and grandfathers had to fight in WW2,but was also enacted by a totally left wing government under LBJ..........

    Wouldn't it be smarter to argue that its best to keep guns out of the hands of dangerous people by ending the liberal policy of releasing such people from prison after they've been "rehabilitated"?

    Why acquiesce to liberal ideology and become party to the evils of "gun control"?






    And liberals- aren't you supposed to be all "civil rights" and "equal" and "tolerant" and stuff?

    How do you justify your support of laws that have their history,in America,in depriving black people of their rights?





    You ask me?

    Hypocrisy seems to be more a value of both of these "sides" then anything else,with big government and tyrannical laws seeming to be the common ground.
     
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  4. locutus

    locutus Well-Known Member Supporter

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    Gun control isn't about guns. It's people control!
     
  5. drvsafe

    drvsafe New Member

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    I've heard it be told that a liberal is just a conservative that hasn't been mugged yet.
    Any truth to that?
     
  6. KalashnikovJosh

    KalashnikovJosh New Member

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    I don't know dude.

    I do think that neocons and libtards have more in common then they like to admit tho.

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  7. bkt

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    We learn from history we don't learn from history. -Hegel

    That is a must-watch video. Thanks for posting it.
     
  8. Jim1611

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    I haven't watched the video yet but will when time allows, thanks for posting it.

    So far your thread has yet to be graced by a liberal to defend gun control. It will be interesting to see if that happens. My mind has changed on a few things over the years but my core beliefs have not. What has changed for me is my basic understanding of why elected officials, and others for that matter, want to impose their way of thinking on us. Early in my life I was as opposed to gun control and I am today but it was more of a selfish reason if you could call it that. I wanted my guns and you were wrong to try to take them.

    Today, however, there is way more to it than just that. History and a better understanding of the minds of the Founders has taught me things. Freedom being foremost. Owning a firearm greatly increases my chances against an opponent that wants to deny me of something. Suppose I have to use a firearm to defend my life, home or family and I fail. I have done my best and am likely dead. Well at the least I died free. Now on the other hand had I not been armed my attackers would be free to do as they please. A good example of this is a POW and the treatment they endure at the hand of an oppressor. My general view of gun control advocates is along the lines of this. These people seek to disarm me so they can tell my what to do and when to do it. That's not freedom.

    To me liberalism has deep roots in evil ways. There is nothing good about it and it is to be resisted at every turn.
     
  9. wjnfirearms

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    As to liberalism, I restate what conservative radio host Jim Quinn always has contended and is completely true:

    "Liberalism always generates the exact opposite of it's stated intent."

    'Nuff said.
     
  10. locutus

    locutus Well-Known Member Supporter

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    A liberal believes that no man can care for himself withour societal assistance..

    A conservtive believes that, left alone to pursue his goals, he will not only succeed, but have enough left over to help his family and neighbor succeed.
     
  11. KalashnikovJosh

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    Guys don't forget-

    Theres alot of conservatives out there who are perfectly happy with "gun control".

    Some of them don't even know they support it,they just like the idea of "keeping guns out of the wrong hands",which is,in fact,support of "gun control".

    Not to dictate to others what their position is,because its perfectly fine for them to continue to believe the way they do -as long as they understand what they're supporting- but I think a better alternative would be to advocate that seriously dangerous people -the murderers,armed robbers,rapists,etc,etc- don't get out of prison.Ever.

    That is the closest thing the state can come to ensuring that dangerous people don't get guns.

    As we've seen recently with James "The Jerker" Holmes and with the shooting of Gabrielle Giffords by Jared Lee Loughner,the state was powerless even in the face of background checks and other regulations to stop what occurred.Both of the shooters in these instances bought their guns in full compliance whit the law.

    The state needs to keep known dangerous people out of circulation and allow the rest of us to provide for our own defense by not hobbling us with laws that those that intend to commit such heinous acts are not deterred by.

    As to the video-

    Its probably the best denunciation of "gun control" ever.

    It proves -cause and effect- how "gun control" was used to legally disenfranchise the future victims of some of histories most heinous crimes against humanity.

    An interesting thing to note is that most people who these laws targeted obeyed them,because they considered themselves to be "law abiding".

    Most Jews that survived Hitlers Final Solution will say that they willingly obeyed Hitlers laws because they felt that if they showed the Nazi state they would be obedient they thought they would be left alone.

    Look where being "law abiding" got them.

    Some laws don't deserve obedience.

    BAD LAWS don't deserve obedience.

    And "gun control" "laws" are,judging by history and their lack of ability to achieve their purported goals-some very bad laws.

    "If a law is unjust, a man is not only right to disobey it, he is obligated to do so."
    -Thomas Jefferson
     
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  12. rjd3282

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    We've got gun owners on this forum that want to restrict 2A. This forum is rife with them. How are we as gun owners supposed to convince non owners that infringement is bad when we can't even get supposedly pro 2A people on board. I just left a thread where the op was all bent because he saw some guys gun printing. If the guy wants to wear his gun under a tight shirt, out in the open or stuffed in his underwear why should we give a sh!t? It's his right to carry it however he wants. This is exactly the same crap libs pull. A lib doesn't eat meat so now nobody should. Your gun doesn't print so now nobodies should. What's the difference.
     
  13. KalashnikovJosh

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    I get bent out of shape whenever I have to hear about some idiot twit blathering on their cellphone and causing a pile up on the interstate.

    But its their right to keep and bear a cellphone,yes?

    They should be held accountable when they misuse the damn thing,but otherwise,they're free to carry those little microwave radiation emitting, GPS tracking, accident causing, IQ lowering, DEATH BOXES everywhere they want,however they want,right?
     
  14. Tackleberry1

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    Josh

    For many years I've advocate "no parol" for any reason. The notion of parol, the idea that an inmate can be trusted to serve the balance of there time outside prison "with supervision" is foolish given the criminal colleges our prisons have become and it serves to justify at least this measure of gun control because the inmate/parolee has not yet full paid there debt to society.

    I say no parole and no restrictions on guns once you've served your full sentence.

    Tack
     
  15. KalashnikovJosh

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    People who rape,commit armed robbery,molest children,commit cold blooded murder,etc,etc.

    Should be executed.

    Once upon a time we hung men for stealing horses.

    Now we release baby rapers,armed robbers, and cold blooded killers from prison for "good behavior".

    WTF happened to us?
     
  16. locutus

    locutus Well-Known Member Supporter

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    Perhaps we need to take a lesson from our British cousins of yesteryear, and bring back the gibbett.:p
     
  17. dog2000tj

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    the pussification of our youth and a scorching case of vagisitis ... only know cures are,


    :cool:
     

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  18. ineverFTF

    ineverFTF New Member

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    Amen! I am americas youth and the kids at my school are just little ******************* i wont go into details but damn its bad.
     
  19. ineverFTF

    ineverFTF New Member

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    I agree 100% america is concerned about being pc and "humane" in the eyes of the world and criminals arent afraid to steal, rape, or murder because most states dont have the death penalty anymore. We baby the prisoners and give them food clothes and a bed to sleep on for the rest of their lives and who pays for it???? The people the criminals stole from to begin with. If we executed everyone incarcerated for violent crime then our taxes would be halved.
    And we would be going green by reducing the worlds population of scum! :p. It's a win win.
     
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  20. WebleyFosbery38

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    If you yell fire in an empty movie theater, did you break the law; yes, no, maybe? Not according to the Constitution! The act itself isnt cause for legal action if nobody is effected! Our laws today arent that clear about cause, they just assume their perception of intent is enough to justify limitation of rights FOOG (For Our Own Good)!

    There are 2 common mindsets that seem to have captured all of the freedom torches light that once lit our great Nation- Liberals and Conservatives. Each has their own Fab Group to rally them and both feel inclined to rule everyone based on their bias and bent.

    Ive been saying for years that Im a Conservative yet Im not all Con anything. Truthfully, I would rather swim in Lawyer infested waters than jump in a life boat with a crapload of self identifying Conservative Republicans or Liberal Democrats.

    The T party came closer to supporting principles I could agree with but they got too close to the sun and dont sound or act much diff than the Republicans they stood up against a few years ago.

    The Constitutional Party is one I could support wholeheartedly but its never gotten any steam. I guess its not polarizing enough to gain any momentum but its platform is both simple and consistent "If theres no clause, theres no cause"! If its not written clearly in the Constitution, our government has no purpose getting involved in it.

    Pretty simple actually! No expounding or deep thoughts needed outside of the principle enumerated in our primary USA legal foundation, the Constitution.

    About the only thing our constitution limits is our rights to infringe on others rights. Thats clearly outcome oriented and doesnt limit thoughts or choice of activities but does draw the line once youve devalued another citizens equal rights.