I have a new lady

Discussion in 'General Shotgun Discussion' started by user4, Sep 2, 2009.

  1. user4

    user4 New Member

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    I just did a little horse trading and picked up my very first shotgun, a very nice Mossy 500. Never having owned a shotty, or even fired one, I have a n00b question for you pros.

    How does the whole choke system work? I understand that there is full choke, modified choke, and improved choke... which choke does what? How do I determine which choke is currently installed? The seller said he wasn't sure, but thought it was "modified".

    I shall defer to youtube for instructions on choke installation and removal.

    Muchas grassy ***
     
  2. Caliche

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    Chokes vary the spread of the shot pattern by changing the size of the constriction at the end of the barrel. This is used to adjust the pattern for the distance you will be shooting. The more open the choke, the wider the pattern is spread and vice-versa. For shooting up close targets a cylinder or bore choke would be used. These have no restriction of the barrel. For longer shots, say on ducks or geese you would use some variation of the full choke. This tightens the pattern putting more shot consistently on the target at longer distances. The basic chokes are cylinder(also open or bore in some cases), Imp. Cylinder, Modified, Imp. Modified and Full. There are several other variations, but generally the prior listed will cover 99% of your shooting.

    To determine what choke you have you should either look at the barrel if the choke is fixed or look on the tube after you remove it from the barrel. On older shotguns the choke will be "fixed" or built in to the barrel. Usually modified or Imp. Cylinder. On older double barrels usually it will be modified over Imp. Cylinder. On newer shotguns that use choke tubes, the designation of the tube should be etched into the side of the tube somewhere. Choke tubes can be either extended or flush fit. The flush fit ones are usually harder to identify as fouling can cover the indicator mark after extended shooting with no cleaning. Just use some bore cleaner and the designating mark should be on there somewhere. Extended tubes are usually marked on the external portion for quick identification. If there is no marking on the tubes, you can use a micrometer to measure the internal diameter and look up what choke it would be based on that.

    This is a list of all of the chokes I have personally seen or read about, but I have not used all of them. The farther down you go, the tighter the choke / pattern.

    Diffuser (Extremely specialized, only seen it once, marked as a "D")
    Cylinder (C, Cyl, O, Open, Bore)
    Skeet (SK)
    Improved Cylinder (IC)
    Light Modified (LM)
    Modified (M)
    Improved Modified (IM)
    Light Full (LF)
    Full (F)
    Extra Full ( Never seen the indicator for this one, assume it would be EF)
    Super Full (SF)

    There is also a "Turkey" choke, I know nothing about this one.

    If you'd like, I can post a picture of my kit and all of my choke tubes later when I get back to the fort. They don't let me come in to the office armed :).
     
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  3. IGETEVEN

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    De nada.

    What ya gonna use it for Ineff? Home defense or hunting? BTW, nice all around, general purpose shotty.

    Jack
     
  4. Caliche

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    Only when I mow :D
     
  5. user4

    user4 New Member

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    Thanks for the info, Caliche. That was exactly what I was looking for. I only plan on using this for home defense and when ACORN census takers stop by.
     
  6. IGETEVEN

    IGETEVEN New Member

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    That a boy!! :D

    Jack
     
  7. BigByrd47119

    BigByrd47119 New Member

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    First shotgun? Really? Well all I can say is there is a reason they are so popular, and your bound to love it. Most people I talk to have at LEAST one shotgun. They are a addiction all teir own. Gotta love the recoil(some people complain I know, but I love it) There is a reason they call them BOOM sticks!
     
  8. user4

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    What would the true value of one of these bad boys be? It's not new, but certainly in very god condition.

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  9. IGETEVEN

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    It looks to be in pretty good shape from the pictures, interchangeable barrel, I would venture to guess without being able to handle it, check the slide pump action for tightness and visualize the barrel, between $250-$300. That's a nice shotty there Ineff. :)

    Jack
     
  10. Dillinger

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    That's a fair price for around these parts as well. Probably $200 to $250 in a stock configuration. Could go higher with some aftermarket mods.

    We recently, maybe 2 weeks ago, sold one for $550 that had been modified with a multi-position stock ( I think it was 4 pos ), ghost rings, 2 position quick release sling and the whole thing was freshly parkerized....

    You got yourself a good home gun there Ineff, I would hang onto it.

    JD
     
  11. skullcrusher

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    The Mossy IC is good for shot, rifled slug and buck shot. The tighter the choke, the tighter the pattern. Turkey chokes are for hunting (turkey obviously) and are good for lead only (in most cases) and throw a tight pattern out to 40 yds. Any choke maker that says it is good for Mossy 500 is good to go. They make choke tube wrenches, but a nickel works well and will not mar the choke. A drop of lube or oil on the threads helps. Do not fire without some choke in the barrel as this will mess up the threads, they are very fine.

    Around here, you can get a good used one for about $170. This is in a shotgun state. You can get many different barrels for the gun, but most new barrels will cost about as much as the used gun itself.

    That shotty should be able to take 3" and 2-3/4" shells. The gun came with a plug that would only allow 3 shells to be loaded into the tube at one time. Remove that, and it should be able to handle 5 or 6. A butt pad is not a bad idea if you plan on using the 3" mags. That barrel should be smooth, so if you plan on using slugs (copper split tops are devistating), use rifled slugs.

    I have had my Mossy for over 20 years. I use the same gun with the same barrel for hunting deer and turkey. The only change I make is with the choke. I have a full choke for turkey and the IC for deer (rifled slugs). If the wife would let me, I would keep my Mossy in the bed with me. (I did when I was single, and no, I never violated it)

    Can you tell I love my Mossy? :D
     
  12. Dillinger

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    Skull - Being a "shotgun state" - have you seen more purchases since the election??

    At first, our AR's were going faster than we could get parts, and I assume it was the same all across the state. By Nov., the shotguns were flying off the shelves as fast as we could get them in and get them home defense ready.

    We have two local shows, a total of two a month, and the shotguns on the used market haven't dried up, but they have gone up in price, that is for sure...

    What's it like around there??
     
  13. BigByrd47119

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    Ill just add here that in reguards of the Turkey Choke, its not recommended you use Buckshot. At least thats what I'v been told and read.
     
  14. skullcrusher

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    Not so much with the shotguns (everyone has at least one for hunting), but the AR's and pistol sales have jumped thru the roof. No ammo to be found most times. Shotguns are plentiful in Ohio since there is no rifle hunting statewide for large game. Like I said, everyone has at least one. Hd shottys are not in big demand around here.

    Price wise, the used shottys have not gone up since the demand is not up. New hd's absolutely. I saw a street sweeper with the LARGE comp, pistol grip and strap on the forend priced over $600. That is just plain nuts, imho.
     
  15. user4

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    Thanks for the wisdom, Skull. How does one remove that plug?

    Edited: Never mind, Skull... Youtube is your friend.
     
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  16. CA357

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    Good choice Ineff. I have a Mossy 500 with an 18.5" barrel on it for HD. ;)
     
  17. willie47

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    How about this (from Trulock Chokes)?

    Name #% Inches Constriction
    Cylinder Bore 40 .000
    Skeet 1 45 .005
    Improved Cylinder 50 .010
    Skeet 2 55 .015
    Modified 60 .020
    Improved Modified 65 .025
    Full 70 .030
    Extra Full 73 .040
    Turkey 75+ .045+

    Oops! This wound up on the wrong post, and I can't figure out how to remove it!
     
  18. willie47

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    How about this (from Trulock Chokes)?

    Name #% Inches Constriction
    Cylinder Bore 40 .000
    Skeet 1 45 .005
    Improved Cylinder 50 .010
    Skeet 2 55 .015
    Modified 60 .020
    Improved Modified 65 .025
    Full 70 .030
    Extra Full 73 .040
    Turkey 75+ .045+
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  19. cobra22

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