I don't understand this........

Discussion in 'The Club House' started by winds-of-change, Nov 28, 2010.

  1. winds-of-change

    winds-of-change The Balota's Staff Member

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    I watched the Chicago Blackhawks play the LA Kings last night. This fight happened during the game. It seems this fight lasted for a minute or so. It got bloody. What I don't understand is there were two refs right there watching them fight that whole time. One ref was considerate enough to pick up a dropped stick, I guess so the fighters wouldn't trip and hurt themselves. :rolleyes: Gloves were tossed off, a helmet went flying and John Scott from the Blackhawks ( my team :)) bare knuckle whaled on Westgarth's face. Mind you, John Scott is 6'8" and weighs 258 lbs. and Kevin Westgarth is 6'4" and weighs 228 lbs.

    John Scott vs Kevin Westgarth, Nov 27, 2010 - Hawks vs Kings - hockeyfights.com

    Why do the refs let them fight? It isn't the rules of the game to fight and I know they get penalties but why do the refs let them fight for a while before breaking it up. Usually the fights get stopped when one of the fighters fall or there's blood but until then.........they FIGHT. If they're going to let them fight then it should be incorporated into the rules of the game, right?
     
  2. danf_fl

    danf_fl Retired Supporter

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    IMO, the Hockey league allows that to happen to increase ticket sales and get the NHL talked about. I don't think that there is another team sport that allows for individuals to duke it out.

    If it did not happen, would we be talking about the game now?
     

  3. winds-of-change

    winds-of-change The Balota's Staff Member

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    Yeah, you're right, probably not.
     
  4. AusLach

    AusLach New Member

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    Would you volunteer to step in?? :eek:

    There are plenty of people in Aust who decry the fighting that sometimes occurs in the footy matches over here as well. It is a simple fact that heavy contact between adrenaline-fuelled athletes will always lead to flared tempers. Egos play a part as well, and there is always the underlying desire to 'win' at all costs. Referees simply can not jump into a melee expecting to immediately break it up. They are seen as the authority in the game but when a fight occurs that authority has been transcended, and it is between two guys. In this instance, the ref's job is to prevent others from joining in and to descalate the violence (I'm a level three Rugby League referee, and level two Rugby Union ref, this is what we have been taught).

    The biggest thing I can't understand is when people act all disgusted when this sort of thing occurs. We as consumers promote this behaviour. These guys are playing a contact sport. Granted, the viewer doesn't always expect to see THAT much contact but put simply, we pay to see them wail on each other; that is the attraction. Why is UFC so popular do you think? :rolleyes:

    We pay them to participate in a form of battle then criticise them for taking it half a step further than what is essentially their job. I know it's not in the rules and I surely don't condone it as a referee :D but I certainly undertand it.
     
  5. winds-of-change

    winds-of-change The Balota's Staff Member

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    Must be a 'guy thing'. :p

    In baseball the umps jump right in the middle of a fight. If that ump gets hit, the players are thrown out of the game and/or suspended. It's a very bad thing to hit an ump in baseball. I never considered hockey to be a contact sport but maybe it is. To me, a contact sport is when it's part of the game to touch or impact on another player, like American football. But I don't really know what is considered a contact sport and what isn't.

    In the end, I am a hockey fan no matter what.
     
  6. AusLach

    AusLach New Member

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    Ok ok, I accept that it probably is a guy thing :D

    I have a rule never to quote wiki, but I'm going to break it here :eek:
    The nature of battle and full contact are integral to these sports. If a fight occurs it just adds to spectacle. Baseball is different and is seen as non-contact sport where a fight will be detrimental to the game's image, hence the tough penalties on fighting. As I said in my previous post but, it's hard for the organisers of contact sports to eliminate fights when the very nature of the sport promotes it.

    On one hand these men (and women??? I don't wanna be sexist here lol..) are professionals in the same way that an office worker is, and you must ask yourself what the repurcussions would be if an office worker smacked another in the mouth and started a fight. On the other hand it's not part of an office worker's job description to belt the crap out of his colleagues in order to win a game on a weekly basis either is it? :rolleyes:
     
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  7. winds-of-change

    winds-of-change The Balota's Staff Member

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    No, it isn't. But there have been times I wish it were. [​IMG]
     
  8. cpttango30

    cpttango30 New Member

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    What world are you living on? Hockey not a contact sport? Then why do they wear more pads than football players?

    Ever heard of a body check?

    I guess you have never heard the saying. "I went to a fight and a Hockey game broke out"....

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  9. 2hot2handle

    2hot2handle New Member

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    quoted for truth. I love the sport, thats why I play it. If you can't take the hitting it's probably not the sport for you. If you can't take the fighting...it's DEFINITELY not the sport for you. I hate goon hockey watching Matt Duchene play is a hell of a lot more fun than watching Todd Bertuzzi play in my opinion. But fighting has it's place in the game and that's the way it's been. No fighting is allowed at my level of play, but I'd be crazy to think that I might go onto the next level without dropping the gloves at least a few times. Why do you think I'm asking for a punching back for Christmas? ;)

    The referee's are there just to make sure no one gets seriously injured, other than that...it's a free for all. besides what are you going to do when all ten guys start fighting?
     
  10. Shihan

    Shihan Active Member Lifetime Supporter

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    Ever watch baseball guys fight, it is like a bunch of girls flailing their arms about. Now, compare that to the punches the Hockey guys throw.

    Hockey not a contact sport?:eek: Ever get checked into the boards.
     
  11. skullcrusher

    skullcrusher New Member

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    Generally, when a fight starts in Hockey the refs stay out so they don't get hurt. If the fighters go to the ice, they jump in and stop it. If the fighters stay on their skates, they will let the fight go until it gets boring or one fighter is clearly beaten and not defending himself.
     
  12. spittinfire

    spittinfire New Member Supporter

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    I personally don't have a problem with the fights in hockey. Like skull said, as long as they stay on their feet they can't seriously hurt each other and they usually tire out quickly. Afterwards they go back to playing the game.
    I've seen a few fights in soccer games that resulted in red cards but if they just let the guys tire out that would have been the end of it.
     
  13. igordog

    igordog New Member

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    There's an "unwritten" rule that nobody steps in until the fight hits the ground. That's the way it's always been. (I don't know if it's because the people like to see them fight, because there's a good chance that the refs could very well catch one or more of those fists when they're standing up, or if it would be unfair to grab one of the guys and tie him up while the other is still able to throw a punch at him...)
    I'm guessing they just prefer to let them settle it themselves and give the fans a show because they usually have a chance to step in before it gets out of hand (like when the two players are circling each other with their dukes up) and they don't.
     
  14. winds-of-change

    winds-of-change The Balota's Staff Member

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    I stand corrected. I guess I was thinking the point of hockey isn't contact as it is in football. I know they slam into the wall and each other as they are going so fast and they can't afford to slow down before hitting an object or person.


    Did you ever see the video of the goalie who had his carotid artery cut by a skate during a game. Gruesome. He recovered quickly and was on the ice again in a couple weeks. But in an interview he said he truly thought he was going to die, as did most others who witnessed and helped him immediately afterward. Now, I work in a hospital and I see some pretty gruesome things but this video makes me very uncomfortable.

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  15. Shihan

    Shihan Active Member Lifetime Supporter

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    Don't forget Richard Zednik, same thing. Right about the 1:27 mark.
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  16. winds-of-change

    winds-of-change The Balota's Staff Member

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    I wasn't aware of the Richard Zednik incident. I assume he recovered just fine, right?
     
  17. dog2000tj

    dog2000tj New Member

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    Fighting in Hockey is tradition - it has been going on as long as guys have been lacing up skates. It is also used as a coaching tactic - send out a goon to rough up/beat up the other teams better players. This tactic usually results in the opposing coach doing the same.

    Years ago early in Bettman's stint as Commissioner he had fighting banned - it lasted 1 season and was a total disaster! :( The entire season was painfully boring with no excitement. Allowing the possibility of fighting keeps the game, the players and the fans on edge, adding another element of excitement to the sport.

    Now if the NHL could only employ Victoria Secret models to skate around in between period wearing some sexy undies ..... ;)
     
  18. winds-of-change

    winds-of-change The Balota's Staff Member

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    Dog, you are too funny. There ARE "Ice Girls". You must be too busy watching the fights to notice the hot chicks that skate around and scoop up things off the ice with shovels. In fact, after the fight the other day between Scott and Westgarth some hot chicks skated out to take the blood out of the ice. Here you go. Enjoy!!

    Chicago Blackhawks Ice Crew

    Now if only the NHL could convince the hockey players to play with their shirts off. [​IMG]
     
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  19. Jo da Plumbr

    Jo da Plumbr New Member

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    I only use binoculars when the kings ice crew comes out.:D
     

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  20. Eric76

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    First, That fight was great because Scott won!. Fighting in Pro hockey is just part of the game , tempers flare and then you have what you saw, Both players in a NHL fight get a 5 min major (unless you are the 3rd man in) and the Refs let it go until the players hit the ice. I wouldnt try to break that up ,would you ? The players are usually sticking up for a fellow player and know the consequences to themselves and the team.I personally dont mind the fighting ,in fact,when there is a good one (like this one) I like it.I cant see how you can have a game as aggressive as pro hockey without a fight now and then.It happens in the NFL too we just arent shown it usually as they turn the cameras away and the people calling the game kinda try to avoid it. At least in hockey the let it play out and hit them with the penalty. Id bet that MANY more people watch hockey for the fights than turn it off because of it.JMO....In a way it is incorporated into the game two 5 for fighting penalties..Go Blackhawks!!