So. I finally bit the bullet and joined the world of SUR ownership. Bought a Rock River, 16" bbl, telescoping stock, fixed front sight, clamp on rear. Would say carry handle, but as my buddy GI George used to say, "It's not a f***ing Samsonite!" Looks pretty clean, no obvious wear. $700. Pat me on the back and say I done good or mock and jeer at me. I know, need pics, I'm a Luddite and incapable. Maybe when The Lovely Miss comes back through town at the end of the month.