I am not an alarmist but.... about the outbreak

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  1. Rentacop

    Rentacop Well-Known Member

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    Freefall, you'd try to point out beans in bean soup !
     
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  2. freefall

    freefall Well-Known Member

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    "One! One little bean! Two two little beans! Ahh, ahh! Three! Wait, that's a pinto bean!"
     

  3. Rentacop

    Rentacop Well-Known Member

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    By Lawrence Korb
    From : Navy Times
    Last week, a reporter from the San Francisco Chronicle called and asked me about an urgent four-page letter that Navy Capt. Brett Crozier, a decorated naval aviator and the commanding officer of the carrier Theodore Roosevelt, had written to about 30 civilian and military Navy officials, inside and outside his chain of command, asking them to quarantine 90 percent of his ship’s entire crew to contain the spread of the Covid-19 virus on his ship.
    I responded that I admired Capt. Crozier for putting the welfare of his sailors above his career.
    Unfortunately, two days after that article was published with my comments, that turned out to be true....

    .... when he left the carrier, he received a standing ovation from the sailors on the ship, something I have never seen before. And he has been universally thanked by the parents of those men and women serving on the Roosevelt. And some 85,000 people have signed a petition calling for his reinstatement. I doubt that the acting Secretary of the Navy, Thomas Modly, who publicly fired Capt. Crozier, on April 2, 2020, nor the Chief of Naval Operations, Adm. Gilday, who supported the decision one day after saying they would not shoot the messenger, and did not conduct an investigation of the incident, would receive anything but boos.
    Along with several other retired officers and many families of the sailors on the Roosevelt, I want to thank Captain Crozier. You made us proud and we hope that your firing will not prevent your peers from speaking truth to power. And we are saddened that you, too have tested positive for the virus.

    Lawrence Korb is a senior fellow at the Center for American Progress and served as assistant secretary of defense under President Ronald Reagan.https://www.navytimes.com/opinion/2...truth-to-power-captain-crozier-made-us-proud/
     
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  4. leadcounsel

    leadcounsel Active Member

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    CV19 now the #1 cause of death of Americans per day, at nearly 2000 dead per day. Of course the raw numbers don't yet come close to the top few causes, but we're just a few months into this nightmare. Ah, remember the good old days, a few weeks ago, when we only had 10 deaths...?

    https://www.foxnews.com/health/coro...re-americans-than-cancer-heart-disease-report
    Coronavirus now killing more Americans than cancer, heart disease: report
    By David Aaro

    "COVID-19, the disease caused by the novel coronavirus, is now the No. 1 cause of death in the U.S. -- killing more people on average per day than cancer or heart disease.

    The virus is the cause of 1,970 deaths in the U.S. per day, according to a graph published Tuesday by Dr. Maria Danilychev, based in San Diego, Calif. In comparison, the graph shows 1,774 deaths per day are attributed to heart disease and 1,641 to cancer, according to Newsweek.

    The visualization comes as the death toll in the U.S has continued to dramatically rise in recent weeks. Fatalities surpassed 16,600 by the end of Thursday, an increase of more than 12,000 deaths from data posted by Johns Hopkins University just eight days earlier."
     
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  5. Gatoragn

    Gatoragn Well-Known Member Supporter

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    https://www.americanthinker.com/art...ses_to_lying_about_covid19_death_numbers.html

    That the CDC isn’t telling the truth to Americans is no conspiracy theory: it’s right out there in the open for everyone to see. The CDC openly admits that it is fudging the COVID-19 death figures.
     
  6. Gatoragn

    Gatoragn Well-Known Member Supporter

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    Any deaths in March, April, May maybe even June will be attributed to covid 19.

    Slip on a banana peel, the decedent had covid 19 which prevented him from recovering his balance so he fell and hit his head on concrete.

    Dude was speeding, missed a curve and tried to take out an oak tree, but the cause of death was due to being delirious with covid 19 symptoms.
     
  7. Mercator

    Mercator Well-Known Member

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    Projected figures, not actual. To be fair.

    They and everyone else are using calculated “models” every one of which is exaggerated. Nobody wants to be accused of being complacent. Intimidating the public on the other hand is forgivable and politically correct.
     
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  8. RKtullahoma

    RKtullahoma Well-Known Member Supporter

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    "Forgivable and politically correct"... in the furtherance of a cause.

    The atrocities in conventional history that could be cited "in furtherance of a cause" would be a list both substantial and disgusting.

    Indeed, it seems, from this observer, that the more disgusting an act is, the more p/c it is.

    The earlier, almost joyful recitation of "2000 a day dead" is a prime example.
     
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  9. Rentacop

    Rentacop Well-Known Member

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    Except.....Trump wanted to restart the economy early . He personally risks losing the next election if this goes on too long . Trump may have some personality quirks but I don't think that he is a conspiratorial, conniving America-hater . If he were doing this to abrogate rights, he could order a shut-down at the federal level and establish dictatorial power over the states .

    If the death count is somewhat inflated as claimed in the above article, does that make a real difference ? I doubt it . In fact, I haven't heard any families of the dead crying foul and insisting that their loved one died from a heart attack and that the infection didn't kill him .
    If you want to play with numbers, let's include all of the people who suffer brain damage from being on ventilators in the body count of dead . Then, we are back up to whatever the official number is .

    The 'reductio ad absurdum' argument that a car crash victim might be listed as a Covid 19 victim isn't valid . There's no evidence of that kind of falsification.

    That a man with a heart condition, who is hospitalized for dry cough, fever and pneumonia is listed as a Covid 19 death is not surprising .
     
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  10. Gatoragn

    Gatoragn Well-Known Member Supporter

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    Yes it was intended to be a farcical statement.

    But we were promised a calamity and by golly the gubmint has to do everything possible to see we get one. There can be nothing left to chance to prove the virus was worth derailing the economy and printing 10 or 20 trillion dollars of fiat currency.
     
  11. Ghost1958

    Ghost1958 Well-Known Member

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    Eh no he couldn't. Not saying he wants to, but the fed is not all powerful and the states are free to ignore any federal decrees other than what is in the COTUS.

    Even if he technically could you would see way more carnage than a suped up flu bug could ever inflict.

    Becoming a dictator over a goodly part of this nation is a practical impossibility.

    If most of us wanted a dictator wed go to China.
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  12. winds-of-change

    winds-of-change The Balota's Staff Member Admin Moderator Lifetime Supporter

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    You can point out his dreck but no insults, name calling, etc.
     
  13. winds-of-change

    winds-of-change The Balota's Staff Member Admin Moderator Lifetime Supporter

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    I doubt it.
     
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  14. leadcounsel

    leadcounsel Active Member

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    So it's allegedly not telling the truth by transparently explaining that people with co-morbitities should be listed as CV19 deaths until a better determination or proximate cause can be established?!

    Oh yes, that transparency is horrifying! lol. Go find a real conspiracy to hang your hat on. HIV is done the same way.
     
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  15. Mercator

    Mercator Well-Known Member

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    Korb is an isolationist. His opinions are always on the side of reducing the military and particularly the nukes. He is a long time columnist for Arianna "Huffington." Just to put things in perspective.
     
  16. Gatoragn

    Gatoragn Well-Known Member Supporter

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    Not a conspiracy, just an acknowledgement of the fact that government is not benevolent and its actions are based on increasing its power over us.
     
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  17. freefall

    freefall Well-Known Member

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    Wait! What?!? You mean Obama ISN'T paying for my health insurance?!?!?
     
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  18. Ghost1958

    Ghost1958 Well-Known Member

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    I think some are quite happy to grow gov and police power as much as possible during this shutdown that shouldn't have occurred in the first place.

    Now the next new "threat" that comes along itll be easier to tell folks they are under house arrest, cant leave the state, cant keep their businesses open, etc etc itll be much easier to get the sheep back in the pen.