I am having a hard time finding the perfect single action six gun

Discussion in 'Revolver Handguns' started by SmokinDonuts, Mar 19, 2011.

  1. SmokinDonuts

    SmokinDonuts New Member

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    First I must say that I LOVE the original Colt Single Action Army/Peacemaker, and I had decided to try and stick to the original factory specs because I liked the original gun.

    I wanted to stick to the original .45LC cartridge, but after doing research I read that the SA six guns built around the original specs are not designed to withstand the power from hot loads. I do like the factory .45LC rounds, but I would also like to be able to fire hotter loads than the factory rounds. And for the record, I do not plan on hand loading anytime soon.

    The 3rd gen Colt SAA has an option to come chambered in .357 mag, and I am willing to go with the .357 and stray away from the original .45LC because I hear that the .357 can shoot hot loads without damaging the gun. I was trying to stay away from the newer Colts because I hear they have reliability issues and are not built as well as previous gen SAAs.

    So far I have been a real big fan of US Firearms. They took over the original Colt factory, and I hear they make better SAAs than Colt ever did, but they don't offer it chambered in .357. They do offer a low profile hammer on limited models, which I would prefer because the original spec is almost too high for my thumb to reach, but it looks like it is only offered with a finish that doesn't interest me.

    Aside from Colt and US Firearms, I have not looked into any other manufacturers. I don't want a cheap knock off, I would rather spend more money to get a high quality product.

    I am looking for a high quality SAA. Preferably .357mag with a low profile hammer, does anybody have any recommendations?
     
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  2. mesinge2

    mesinge2 New Member

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    How about a Ruger SASS Vauqero, here's mine:

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  3. skullcrusher

    skullcrusher New Member

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    I second looking at the Rugers.

    May I ask why SA only? DA revolvers can be shot in SA. I normally do so.
     
  4. SmokinDonuts

    SmokinDonuts New Member

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    I already have access to 2 nice S&W six guns, both are double action too. One is a .38sp with a 6 inch barrel, the other being a .357mag with a 4 inch barrel.

    I have always liked the look of the old Colt SAA, and I liked it even more when I finally got to hold one for the first time. The Ruger Vaquero is a nice tribute to the classic six gun, it has that same look that drew me into the Colt SAA, but the Ruger just can't replicate the 4 clicks you hear when you pull back the hammer on the SAA. It may only be a small detail, but it is part of what makes the SAA what it is. :D

    I have not completely dismissed the Vaquero. If I were to get a Vaquero, I would get it chambered in .45LC because I hear that the Vaquero can handle the hot loads that nobody would dare try in a Colt SAA.

    I would REALLY like a SAA that can fire hot .45LC or .44SP loads, and that is where the Vaquero jumps in, but I think I would just get a .357mag Colt SAA before buying the Vaquero. Eventually I would just buy both :cool: but I can only expand the collection one at a time.
     
  5. jamesb

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    Ruger .357 Blackhawk here. I love mine!!
     
  6. soldierman79

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    Bisley

    Here's my Cimarron Bisley in .357
    I love the low profile hammer and being able to target shoot the less expensive .38 is nice, too.
    (sorry the pic is so big, i'm not sure how to shrink it)
     

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  7. diggsbakes

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    The most practical and reliable choice in this matter is the Ruger Blackhawk or Ruger Vaquero. They are solid and well built. For a handy sidearm, the Vaquero is fine with its fixed sights, however I would go with the Blackhawk if you want to tune it to shoot paper targets.

    For the right price I might let go of this Blackhawk in .44 mag 50th anny. edition:
     

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  8. h8dirt

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    Usfa

    Once you get your hands on a USFA SAA, nothing else (short of an old, original Colt) will suffice. Just do it.
     
  9. Hawg

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    The old Vaquero will but it's basically a Blackhawk with fixed sights. The new Vaq wont handle anything any hotter than a Colt SAA or a clone will. The new Vaq kinda resembles a Colt but it has that screwed up Ruger lock work. No four clicks when you cock it and there's no half cock loading notch. With the hammer down opening the loading gate lets the cylinder free wheel. You're not going to find anything in the size and style of a Colt SAA that will take hot .45 Colt loads.
     
  10. jismail

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    If your not set on the caliber, I have a .44mag Super Blackhawk in 7.5" and it drives nails, is a Kick to shoot (no punn intended ;) ) and is a very nice quality piece. It also gets a lot of attention at the range too if you like standing out a bit :) There are also less powerful rounds you can shoot out of it too if you need to give your wrist a bit of a break from the recoil...
     
  11. SmokinDonuts

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    "The old Vaquero will but it's basically a Blackhawk with fixed sights. The new Vaq wont handle anything any hotter than a Colt SAA or a clone will."

    Wow, I had that backwards haha! :D For some reason, I can't seem to remember why, but I thought I heard that the old Vaquero could only handle factory loads, and the new one was the one with the stronger frame that could handle any hand loads that you throw at it. That is disappointing that they decided to go backwards on this design, it is always nice to have options about what bullets you can use.

    "The new Vaq kinda resembles a Colt but it has that screwed up Ruger lock work. No four clicks when you cock it and there's no half cock loading notch. With the hammer down opening the loading gate lets the cylinder free wheel."

    I like the way the SAA works. It may be outdated, but it does give the weapon character. Most modern revolvers have adjustable sights, some sort of safety bar to safely carry 6 bullets or how many bullets your cylinder can hold, double action trigger pull, and an easy thumb release with an arm that leans out of the side of the gun for quick loading and reloading.

    Before I go any farther, I will say that I love technology, and it is impressive to me to see that a lot of the gun manufacturers have set a standard to make high quality products, but aside from slightly different aesthetics, most of these firearm manufacturers offer the same features as the next. I just don't see a big variety of options even though we have a huge variety of manufacturers, and that to me is why the SAA really sticks out, because it is different than the common firearms that we have today, and it is a design that has proven to work for over 100 years and similar to the Colt 1911 because it too has been around for 100 years. But no more chat about that though, because it isn't a six gun. ;)

    I don't know how true this is, but to me it seems that Ruger added in the additional clicks (I heard it has 3 clicks) just to mimic the original SAA, and to me that sounds like a useless feature considering that it doesn't have an actual function because you don't have to load and reload at half cock like the original Colt.

    "You're not going to find anything in the size and style of a Colt SAA that will take hot .45 Colt loads."

    When I first learned of the Colt SAA, I didn't think about the limited bullet selection and not too long ago I recently learned that Colt offers the SAA in .357mag. I would prefer to stick to either .45LC or .44SP, or whichever is more authentic to original SAA, but am willing to part ways with that for the .357 mag for a few reasons. I heard that both the .45LC and .44SP can be both expensive and hard to find, combine that with the fact that the Colt SAA can't fire hot loads without too much stress that can and will damage the firearm. I read online on some forum that the .357mag chambered SAA can fire anything you throw at it because of the extra cylinder thickness that can't be found on the .44SP and the .45LC cylinders making the 357mag to be a better choice because of the number of different bullets that can be used with it. This was when I became disappointed when I saw that USFA didn't offer their SAA in .357mag.

    "Once you get your hands on a USFA SAA, nothing else (short of an old, original Colt) will suffice. Just do it."

    I am pretty sure that I said this in my first post. I love the SAA and USFA version, but I couldn't decide which was a better cartridge between the .45LC or .44SP.

    If I only use factory rounds, I believe the .44SP will have slightly less recoil than the .45LC, but it would also mean that the cylinder walls are thicker than that of the .45LC, so in theory the .44SP cylinder is stronger than the .45LC cylinder which would give me more leeway if and when I learn the ways of hand loading.

    If you follow this logic, the logic points at the .357 for the strongest cylinder and safest option when it comes time to hand load. But of course this is all speculation to me as I have no experience with this, I have only fired one single action six gun chambered in .45LC and never fired a .44SP. The only thing I read was that the recoil with both the .45LC and .44SP are so similar that people often can't tell the difference between the two.

    Now that I think back on it, I don't remember what single action six gun I fired, all I know is that it wasn't a Colt. :p
     
  12. m72law

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    Uberti make some pretty nice SA's...if ya dont mind buying a used one in very good condition...i had a chance to buy one in .44mag callahan off GunBroker.com for the sum of 250bucks...but purchased a hakim 8mm instead:rolleyes:...its hard to beat them Ruger SA's
     
  13. Hawg

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    I went with Uberti because I don't like the Ruger action and I can't afford a Colt. The Uberti is true to the original Colt design with four clicks, half cock loading and a hammer mounted firing pin. It just doesn't have a pony on it. I also went with 44-40 for the originality of it and I went with a Rossi 92 Winchester for the same reason and so I could have both in the same caliber and be historically correct.

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    Yeah, yeah, I know the grips aren't historically correct.:D
     
  14. 500mag_guy

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    i will also stand behind ruger for a revolver!