Hypothetical "what should you do" scenario

Discussion in 'Concealed Carrying & Personal Protection' started by Gizord1, Oct 18, 2013.

  1. Gizord1

    Gizord1 New Member

    859
    0
    0
    Ok, earlier I was eating at my university's cafeteria, and got up to get some dessert. I left my bag with my $450 tablet and $80 case in it. I usually NEVER leave any of my stuff laying around (I take it with me no matter how short of a distance), but I was walking about 30 ft away, so I could still see my bag.
    I thought of a scenario that isn't really self defense, but more of a protection of property. Just note, this is a "what if" scenario, and I have no intention of being Billy Badass and escalating straight to potentially lethal force, if necessary.
    But what if I was in a public place and witnessed the theft of my property, like someone walking up and picking up my bag and starting to walk off.
    What would be the best approach to this scenario:
    A. Approach them in a serious tone and tell them to put the bag down (ideal approach, unless they are one of the tough guy types)

    B. Grab them by the shoulder and turn them around and tell them to drop it

    C. Some people would say go straight to brute force and knock them out, which I would see as an appropriate way to get the scumbag, but what if they are tougher/bigger than you are? I also think this could be a possible assault charge.

    D. What if you used approach A or B, and they reacted with brute force, could you fight back as self defense? Or if it escalated rather quickly...

    E. What if they were one of "those" types and pulled a weapon when you demand they return your property? I understand your life is more important than a $500 computer, but what if they intended to harm you (tried to stab you or shoot you), would you be allowed to draw a weapon and defend yourself in self defense (I don't see why not, if they tried to use lethal force against you, but some laws are iffy)?

    F. Now I do not advocate this, because it would be a use of excessive force and could cause MAJOR legal reprocussions, but what if you approached them, pulled a weapon, and demanded they return your property (again, I do not advocate this)?

    I mean if they intentionally stole your stuff, like they knew you were there.
    Also would work with car theft/car break in.
     
    Last edited: Oct 18, 2013
  2. MisterMcCool

    MisterMcCool Well-Known Member Supporter

    12,978
    410
    83
    If I found an abandoned bag in public, I would pick it up and take it to customer service/management. I think if you just announced "that's mine" he would concede.
     

  3. Gizord1

    Gizord1 New Member

    859
    0
    0
    I mean what if you were in a place like McD's, left for about 10 seconds, and they immediately walked over when you left and went through your stuff/stole your stuff. I mean if they intentionally stole your gear, like they knew you were there.
    Or even if someone was breaking into your car, same idea.
     
  4. MisterMcCool

    MisterMcCool Well-Known Member Supporter

    12,978
    410
    83
    Oh. :eek:

    I reckon I would get my stuff back. He decides if we're going to be on the news.
    I'm 6’3 sober. Lord help him if I'm drinking. And I'm usually drinking. :eek:
     
  5. SSGN_Doc

    SSGN_Doc Well-Known Member

    6,926
    66
    48
    Escalation of force as required, with avenue to retreat if overpowered. Retaining an option to use lethal force if needed, because defense of my property changed to defense if my life.

    Make them aware that it is your property, give them the opportunity to return it. Try to stop them if they don't. If they become a threat, evaluate if retreat or holding ground is the best option. If they seem to be a lethal threat and intend to make it physical, try to strike hard and fast in a way to allow retrieval if your gear and give you an opportunity to escape. (Think throat punch or burying your thumb in the back if their eye socket. that usually takes the fight out if someone for a minute). If they escalate directly to lethal force with a weapon, respond in kind while trying to escape and deescalate the situation. No one needs to die for minor property. If they aren't going to let it go and you can't safely withdraw. Shoot the fluffer.
     
  6. c3shooter

    c3shooter Administrator Staff Member

    21,448
    564
    113
    end well.jpg

    Giz, we are not lawyers (well, two members here are- but questions like yours leave them in the fetal position under the desk, whimpering softly)

    However, what you described will not end well. IT WILL DEPEND ON CIRCUMSTANCES IN TOTO, LAWS WHERE YOU ARE, ETC. There is no one size fits all.

    But start flailing on the person that was turning in the bag to security, customer service, etc- and Houston....we have a problem.

    Might I suggest you reverse the roles mentally for a moment? You observe a bag left unattended. On your way over to the cashier somebody suddenly starts swinging at you. Your response?
     
  7. SSGN_Doc

    SSGN_Doc Well-Known Member

    6,926
    66
    48
    And if I find a bag unattended in public places I might just call security and let them get the bomb squad to blow up the owners tablet, and toys with a water jet.
     
  8. Gizord1

    Gizord1 New Member

    859
    0
    0
    Thats kinda what I'm sayin if such a scenario were to happen, what would be the best way to go through it without issue. I think it would be to tell them they have your stuff, but what if they got your stuff open and going through it or they instantly began beating you senseless?
    I am starting to realize all the possible factors of such a situation.
    This is more complex than I thought.
     
  9. SSGN_Doc

    SSGN_Doc Well-Known Member

    6,926
    66
    48
    C3 is being the realist about these scenario based posts. There is never enough full information to give you a true answer, and too many variables to really answer the question definitively. We could "what if" the scenario a thousand ways or more.

    Some words the Cheif of the Boat used to say frequently may apply best here in dealing with scenarios. "Remain fluid because flexible is entirely too rigid".
     
  10. MisterMcCool

    MisterMcCool Well-Known Member Supporter

    12,978
    410
    83
    Alerting "That's mine!" would deter most.
     
  11. Gizord1

    Gizord1 New Member

    859
    0
    0
    Yeah, I thought about it, and it's not a black and white scenario like most defense scenarios are. There really is a lot that can play into any defense scenario, if ya think about it.
    I guess there is no right or wrong here.
     
  12. DeltaF

    DeltaF New Member

    3,210
    0
    0
    "Hey buddy, that's my bag."

    If he tries to run: its on.

    If he smiles and says oh I thought somebody left it here shake his hand tell him thanks and go on about your day.
     
  13. 9_guy

    9_guy New Member

    7
    0
    0
    This would be my approach.
     
  14. hawaiifrank

    hawaiifrank New Member

    35
    0
    0
    I believe OJ tried option F a few yrs. ago. He's still in prison. Just sayn'...
     
  15. Dearhunter

    Dearhunter Supporting Member Supporter

    1,915
    19
    38
    Tell them, Hey "sport" I think you picked up my laptop by mistake.

    But also be aware of the rules of engagement!!
     
  16. Steel_Talon

    Steel_Talon New Member

    1,766
    0
    0
    The situation is going to determine the response. Believe it or not, they're are still plenty of good people around that try to do the right thing. In essence you really have to lean that way at the start. However your instinct will put your response in context rather quickly.

    We have a right to keep possession of our property, verbally, then with physical force if necessary. In some sates IE Texas you can go to guns to do so under certain instances. But really is a laptop worth the coming drama

    He may also rolling with a crew that might not be detected at the start of the feud. Remember righteousness doesn't always guarantee coming out unscathed / on top.

    As for my response in bad situation is be first to initiate violence of action. I'm always good with getting my share of hamburger from his azz even if I don't win the steak.:eek:

    Best advice...Don't leave your laptop and bag unattended. Grow old and keep your version of paradise calm/centered. Bushido.......

    To note... I'm not as spry as I use to be lol. I'm headed for a wheelchair somewhere down the line. But I'm still good for a mad minute or two,never without out a force multiplier or my fighting cane.
     
    Last edited: Oct 25, 2013
  17. thejudge410

    thejudge410 New Member

    26
    0
    0
    If the person finger banging your stuff has an undeniable intent to steal it, he is going to get it no matter what. Or at least try to.
    If you walk away and not ten seconds later the perp has hands on ur property then that person has already decided you were his mark. You have been eyballed already whilst you munched away at your soy burger..
    Perhaps if the criminal knew his potential mark was packing heat or ascertained as much by catching a subtle glimpse of bluing he may re evaluate his thinking..
     
  18. trip286

    trip286 New Member

    18,658
    1
    0
    Go go R2D2!!! Goooo.... with your little package of C4 you suicidal bastard you!!!
     
  19. Missouribound

    Missouribound Well-Known Member

    1,031
    43
    48
     
  20. danf_fl

    danf_fl Retired Supporter

    12,369
    57
    48
    When I was assigned overseas, one of the things drilled in my head was "Don't disturb an abandoned bag."
    This was before the phrase IED came out and the Baader-Meinhof gang was running in Germany.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Army_Faction
    I would keep an eye on it and let security know.
     
    Last edited: Dec 11, 2013