Hypothetical Question – 3 Day trek

Discussion in 'General Rifle Discussion' started by Gloves, Sep 9, 2011.

  1. Gloves

    Gloves New Member

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    Scenario:
    As a paid mercenary with 2 other men, your job is to hike into a medium-density
    forest, look for signs of drug trafficking and neutralize any found and hike out.
    Intelligence says drug traffickers are well armed and highly territorial; they generally
    travel together in 4 to 6 on their patrols.

    Over 3 days, the hike in is 12 miles. The hike out is 12 miles.

    QUESSTION:
    If you choose to accept, what weapons would you bring with you?


    Can be things you own, or would like to own. More details the better.
     
  2. unclebear

    unclebear New Member

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    M16A3 with a Nikon 1-4x20 and a M203, a Taurus Model 66 .357 mag, Ka Bar, and 4 M67 frags. It would a fair amount of weight with regular supplies but it would be worth it.
     

  3. c3shooter

    c3shooter Administrator Staff Member

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    Well, the last time we did this, the point man had a shotgun, and the rest of us had MP-5s............
     
  4. BlindOldMan

    BlindOldMan New Member

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    Can I fit someone like Carlos Hatchock in my pack?

    Carlos Hathcock - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    For three days (my usual camp/hike duration), my pack weighs almost 40lbs without any other hardware. If I didn't carry water that might drop to around 30lbs. If I really wanted to cut weight I could dispense with the single person tent, some extra clothes, full size flashlight, stove and large knife. With about 20lbs of pack weight (assuming I can find water along the way), I can hike 20 miles in a couple days but I'd be pretty beat after the first day. That's not including a gun and ammo :) Ammo is so dang heavy that I'd want something that wouldn't miss.

    Based on that, I'd want to carry something that can shoot really long range because the prospect of dealing with 4-6 well-armed men after a full trek is not something I'd ever want to do. So some sort of sniper rifle, plus a pistol.
     
  5. Vincine

    Vincine New Member

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    101 Airborne?
     
  6. Lindenwood

    Lindenwood New Member

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    Sounds like the AR is your best bet in this scenario. Will give you the ability to make good hits to the limits of the terrain, as well as the ability to hold your own in a firefight. I'd imagine you'd only carry a few mags because, a BOM says, hiking with too much weight can wear you down quite a bit, and I'd imagine you'll want to be on top of your game in this situation.

    A bolt-action rifle would work at further ranges, but once they start shooting back it's going to be very limiting.

    If I was going to carry something as heavy as an MP5, and I wasn't indoors, it would be an AR for sure. Probably in 6.8 to help get through brush and possibly huts and such.

    Maybe one or two of you should have an AR with a .458 Socom upper >:D .
    [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ERQdRkG5Hko].458 SOCOM - Turning Cover Into Concealment(TM) - YouTube[/ame]

    I'd take one of those over a 12g for sure, ESPECIALLY if expanding ammo is allowed.
     
  7. lonewolf101

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    A mcmillian sniper rifle .44 mag, k bar knife
     
  8. therewolf

    therewolf New Member

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    I don't know, maybe I'm just getting old and grumpy, with clay feet.

    1)Hiking 12 miles through brush with full packs and gear would, IMO,

    at some point, negate the element of surprise for the superior

    force you intend to face. So what, exactly, is your tactical

    advantage?

    2) Does intelligence tell you how many "4 to 6 man patrols"?

    Equipment: (based on what we know)

    6 garrotes,

    1 machete,

    1 long, thin double-edged bayonet,

    1 utility knife,

    one multi-purpose-tool,

    2 dozen anti-personnel mines,

    3 coils of wire,

    500 ft. of parachute cord

    500 ft. of black 50 lb. test braided line,

    2 claymore mines,

    6 frag grenades,

    my 92A1 and three mags,

    water and purifier,

    two day's food,

    and a travel-size copy of the new testament.:(
     
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  9. Lindenwood

    Lindenwood New Member

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    That's where I was going to go next, heh. A few of those and you won't need guns :p . Just work on your toss before hand!
     
  10. 303tom

    303tom Well-Known Member

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    My AR-7 in my backpack & my Auto-Mag III on my side !
     
  11. steve666

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  12. Garadex

    Garadex New Member

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    As said before a .458 SOCOM and an XDm .45.
     
  13. dteed4094

    dteed4094 New Member

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    A sling shot, 20 ga semi auto with slugs and 00, 2 ARs and a 357 mag. and night vision.
     
  14. Gloves

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    Lot of good ideas!

    I would also like to bring a .458 Socom with me but the range of the SOCOM is danger close. Odds of hitting your target past 250 yards gets slim quickly and 10 rounds per mag might not be so fun once under fire.

    I would bring the Spikes M4 (4x30 scope) with 62 grain 5.56 - 10-30 round p-mags
    Kimber 1911 4-10 round mags and a 7 in the gun.
    3-M67s
    GPS
    Real Tree cammo
    Condor 3-day pack
    Front and back class IV plates
    100 ft para cord
    Knife, First Aid, 2 MREs, 3-lieter Camel Pack, Pocket Radio Scanner

    QUESTION:
    Why bring a sidearm at all? Ods are you aren't going to use it and the ammo. That could be 5 lbs more of 5.56 (or ammo of your choice)


    Dteed4094: I though you were kidding with a sling shot. but that would be a great idea to cause a distraction.
     
  15. Gloves

    Gloves New Member

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    That is a pretty bad *** selection. Isn't the AR-7 a .22?
    I would like to see how that goes down.
     
  16. ScottA

    ScottA FAA licensed bugsmasher Lifetime Supporter

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    Well since this is hypothetical...

    I'm taking a 1911 and a radio. With a radio, I'll just call one of these.
     

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  17. TekGreg

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    Gloves,

    There are a few things you haven't mentioned, like your size and what loadout your comfortable humping. I'm 6'4" and 235 lbs and can handle a bit heavier weight than some others.

    I don't like the 5.56 round for your medium density forest environment. 7.62X51 is better and you can still carry 10 mags at 20 per. Scope for 100 yards but you're still effective out to 600 from hilltops and the round is persistent through brush. The live targets you mention have used H&K G3 and FN-FAL in this environment for decades. If you are a smaller frame or opposed to this round or the firearms chambering it on principal, may I suggest the Remington 6.8 SPC. Still armor piercing, flat trajectory and a better foliage buster than 5.56 and you can mount it on your favorite Colt lower. Obviously top either with favorite optics capable of quick short- and medium- range engagement. I doubt medium density forest will allow ranges beyond that.

    As for sidearm, check your specs to see if you need an Amphibian for close order dispatch. Otherwise, save the 41 oz plus ammo.

    Finally, Claymores are helpful as either area denial, perimeter protection or can be used as medium-order ordinance if a building or lab is found. One or two per man is not usually prohibitive and can be dropped upon fast extraction if need be. Obvious downside is setup time.

    Hope it helps!
     
  18. 303tom

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    That is what I am packing, what about the other guys with me ?
     
  19. dteed4094

    dteed4094 New Member

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    The main purpose for the sling shot would bed distraction but would also take game silently. A sling shot can also be a stealthy lethal weapon with the right ammo.(see Goliath). As a young teen, I once brought home 4 rabbits with 3/8 ball bearings. Mom was shocked as she happily dressed and froze them. You can also expect to add to your arsenal when you ambush your first patrol. I would expect to take out a good number of them before they knew we were there.
     
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  20. TekGreg

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    dteed, I fully agree with the usefullness of a slingshot in a kit. However, this is a tool in need of training, similar to a bow, that has a fair amount of failure if you haven't practiced a lot or have significant inherent ability, which it sounds like you may have. You should definitely include one in your kit, but other should evaluate their skill level before counting on its ability to defend themselves or provide food, at least until their competency level is known.