Humble SHTF collection for the non tactical crowd

Discussion in 'Survival & Sustenance Living Forum' started by thetoad45, Sep 13, 2010.

  1. thetoad45

    thetoad45 New Member

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    For those of us who are not drawn to the military style weapons for a SHTF situation I offer my humble collection for your critic. I am older with some of the common "older peoples" problems. Not much of a chance of me bugging out and living in the sticks for long periods. I have bought weapons to use to gather food with defense as a secondary roll.
    My collection is not complete as yet but it is getting close. I like the idea of having two of everything. It makes no sense to stockpile lots of ammo and only own one complicated rifle. It breaks and your stuck throwing bullets and swinging your broken club. Most of my collection are on the inexpensive side, Yet in my opinion they are built with quality materials and should funtion for years. I have stock piled critical spare parts for the levergun just to be on the safe side.
    I live in Arizona and what I have is geared towards the area in which I live. In a SHTF situation I plan to stay low and avoid conflict unless I am positive I have a better than even chance of winning. To old and beat up for the running gun battle thing.

    1. Two Marlin XL7 rifles in .270 winchester- Hunting & defense in the field

    2. Two H&R single shot 20 gauge shotguns- Gathering small game/birds

    3. Marlin 1894C and Tarus 65 in .357 magnum- Defense and deer/small game

    4. Marlin .22lr- Hunting and last ditch defense

    I plan on getting another levergun, revolver and .22 rifle. One piece at a time. I have stock piled reloading components for these guns and figure I could reload for quite some time.
    No plan is perfect. My choices probably wouldn't be suitable for someone in the inner city. But for the rural desert southwest these fit the bill just fine..
     
  2. Ruger44

    Ruger44 New Member

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    Not a bad idea. I like the lever actions, good solid, well proven firearms. Same with the wheel gun. Less that could go wrong. May I suggest adding at least 1 black powder rifle? I've also got one of those single shot shotguns that I use all the time in 12 gauge.
     
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  3. jca1

    jca1 New Member

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    Nice collection.

    I would suggest a couple of get out of trouble fast firearms like a semi auto hand gun with lots of extra mags, and a semi auto or pump 12 gauge.
     
  4. M14sRock

    M14sRock New Member

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    The rule of twos...

    Two is one, and one is none.

    Welcome aboard. Stop by the Intros and tell us a bit more about yourself when you get a minute.
     
  5. thetoad45

    thetoad45 New Member

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    I won't own any semi auto handguns. For the money one needs to buy a good dependable semi auto I could get a couple Mossberg 500 pumps and have change to spare. :) Actually I do have plans for a couple 12 gauge shotguns probably the plain old Mossbergs from Walmart. There isn't a handgun made that can even come close to being as effective as the shotgun. To me the handgun is a very last option when I have run out of everything else. I have owned semi auto pistols in the past and one gets what one pays for. Get a cheap one and your asking for trouble. If my life is on the line I would rather have a 20 or 12 bore or even the lever gun over a pistol no matter how many mags one has. Pistols take much practice, a shotgun very little.... But that's just me. I have seen some darn good shooters with a handgun. I just do better with a rifle or scattergun. :D
     
  6. jca1

    jca1 New Member

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    Sounds good to me.

    I love Mossberg shotguns. I have a pump 12ga. that has never missed a lick.
     
  7. thetoad45

    thetoad45 New Member

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    Good suggestion. My brother bought a real cheap 50 cal inline black powder rifle some years ago. Nothing would shoot well through it. He then tried 45 caliber 300 gr Hornady XTP HP pistol bullets inside of a plastic cup over 90 grains of powder. Accuracy was great. He downed a lot of game with that rifle. Everything he shot with it just died on the spot. It was amazing. That has always stuck with me. All I use in my .357 loads are Hornady 158 grain XTP's. I would like a rifle like that but it will have to wait until after income tax return. Need to get another lever gun and the shotguns. I like the shotguns over the .22 lr but I feel every home should have a decent .22 rifle. Very versatile caliber.
     
  8. Swampbilly

    Swampbilly New Member

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    Very efficient and very effective.

    You add a short barreled 12 gauge shotgun, and a 45 caliber pistol in that mix, and you're all set.



    Regards,


    Swampbilly
     
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  9. spittinfire

    spittinfire New Member Supporter

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    I'll arm wrestle you for your Marlin. Nice collection you have there. I think you've got your basis covered.
     
  10. thetoad45

    thetoad45 New Member

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    Walmart has the Mossberg 500 for a little over $220 each. Not a bad deal. Have owned them in the past and never had an issue.
    I really need another Marlin 1894C. You wouldn't believe how handy those rifles are. This one sports a Williams peep sight on the back and a fire sight on the front. That firesight was the best investment I could have made. Put it on myself which means anyone can do it. In low light it twinkles a bright red and makes it easy to aim in low light situations. My next one will sport a low power scope but I have a skinner peep just in case anything happens to the scope. Those Hornady XTP bullets cycle through as smooth as butter. It is big enough to knock our small whitetail flat at 100 yards and can be downloaded for small game/javalina usage if needed. 9 shots gived one a comfy feeling especially if one carries a revolver of the same caliber. A man can carry a lot of .357 ammo if a bug out is needed. My next revolver is going to be a taurus .357 snubbie. Believe it is a model 605. Got to have a hidaway gun in the mix... In my humble opinion for a revolver the minimum caliber should be the .357 magnum. It is the queen of the revolver calibers. I have seen deer and even black bear killed with it. The .44 mag is a great round but the revolvers it comes in are quite heavy and recoil is stout. May be too much for the smaller members of the family. For those with semi autos I wouldn't even consider one below .40 & .45 caliber. (IMHO) Bigger is better when it comes to semi autos.
    Another .22 (Marlin model 60) will be the last one to be purchased. The .22lr is a great inexpensive game getter and allows the younger members of the family to be able to defend the home if needed. (great girls gun)
    I cannot say enough good things about the Marlin XL7 rifles. I put Sightron S1 scopes on them. I have owned many calibers over the last few decades and with the exception of the 6.5x55 swede I find the .270 winchester to be the best all around caliber for where I live. Got to pick one in a common caliber. They come in all the favorite calibers-243, 7mm-08, 308, 25-06, 270 and the great 30-06.. One of these should cover the area in which you live. Even most smaller women can shoot the 270 without much problem. Marlin did it right with this rifle!
    Too many guns? Perhaps. But no one gun will cover every situation. If I had to pick just one gun to survive with it would have to be a pump shotgun with multiple barrels. You can down big game with a slug gun and switch over and live off starlings and robins if one had to. (It's been done, trust me on this) A rifle will down game yet it's tough to bird hunt with a 30-06. The .22 is a versitile caliber but far from ideal for big game and birds.
    Anyway, this are my humble choices. I admit I drool a bit when I see some of the expensive military guns some of you guys sport. They have a place in anyones collection. I'm kinda old school. Wouldn't even know how to operate some of them fancy things. :( But never say never.) Maybe someday I will post a picture with me and a peice that looks like it came out of one of the Star Wars films.:D
     
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  11. Swampbilly

    Swampbilly New Member

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    I am soon to get the Marlin XL7 in 30-06. Everything I have read from owners of this rifle has been largely positive. In my opinion, the 30-06 caliber is such a versatile round and commonly available.


    Regards,


    Swampbilly
     
  12. GMACK

    GMACK New Member

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    I wouldnt say humble. You have what you feel you will need. As long as your proficent with all of them thats what counts. Id rather have you as a friend/neighbor than some bozo that has all the newest tact gear/weapons and couldnt hit a bull in the ass with a banjo.
     
  13. Troy Michalik

    Troy Michalik Is it Friday yet? Supporter

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    Yup, that right there will getter done.
     
  14. thetoad45

    thetoad45 New Member

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    I gave the 30-06 a LOT of thought. Owned one when I lived in Washington State. Loved it. We had black bear and elk so the 30-06 was perfect for that area. It really hammers elk. Where I live now the whitetail are the size of a German shepard dog. I feel a bit guilty shooting them with the 270.:eek: The 243 would have been a better choice but I may move someday and figured the 270 is a happy medium. I have seen elk taken with the .270 without issue. Pick your shots and don't get crazy it works fine.
    You'll like the Marlin XL7. As a "budget" rifle it has a lot of upper end features. It has a three piece bold much like the Savage rifles. They are very accurate right out of the box and the trigger is adjustable. I think it is the best thing since sliced bread.:) I owned a couple Remington 700 rifles and I admit I like these Marlins better.
     
  15. notamoocher

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    I live in the hills of Eastern Kentucky and do not need the reach of the .270 my rifle is .308.

    The amount of bullets I believe will be more important than the size. So I'm going 9mm, cost less-buy more.

    I agree on purchase price ideal.

    AR-15 $1000.00 one family member armed. Hi-Point 9mm carbine $1000.00 entire family armed.

    Hi-cap pistol with lots of mags I think thats a good ideal.

    A 22 rimfire rifle and a 12 gauge pump shotgun are the most important.

    My sons don't really understand what could happen WTSHTF so in the past few months I have given them each two guns. I will also make sure they have access to ammo.

    I still would like a 9mm revolver, 12 gauge single shot, and a couple more 22 rimfire rifles

    BULLETS MORE VALUABLE THAN GOLD, BECAUSE WITH BULLETS YOU CAN SHOOT FOOD, OR TAKE FOOD FROM SOMEONE ELSE.

    IF YOU OFFER A PERSON GOLD THEY MAY NOT SELL YOU FOOD, IF YOU OFFER THEM A BULLET THEY WILL GIVE YOU FOOD.
     
  16. M14sRock

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    That is the way it will be, in a nutshell. Tell your boys to read "The Road", "Lucifer's Hammer" or "One Second After". Then they will understand.

    Ammo will be "ballistic wampum". Gotta have plenty to use, and plenty to trade.
     
  17. notamoocher

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    The Road is a great book, my sister gave it to me about 8 months ago. I finished it in about 4 evenings, If you were the person who asked about COLLAPSE by Jared Diamond national geographic channel has a show about our collapse which features Diamond. Let me know what you think after you read it.
     
  18. M14sRock

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    That was me, but I have not had time to get it yet. I'll have my wife pick up a copy this week.
     
  19. LMS_Tactical

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    I like your shotgun thoughts but would add that there are times when being armed is a great little secret to have. Its just a tad harder to move around in certain situations when everyone who sees you knows up front that you are packing a shotgun. In a zombie invasion, there may come a time when you will have to bluff your way in close and surprise your enemy with a quick draw, sight alignment and double tap. Just a thought.
     
  20. RONSERESURPLUS

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    Hmm, I agree, sorta?

    Helo all, RON L here - SERE SURPLUS

    I'm looking at his list of guns and I sorta agree! Not a Lot of Bases not covered and if the 22 LR was added 9Unless it was and I missed that) ,most allw as set/ I don't agree on the handgun, as I see it as indespensable to me and my uses, thats Me though and not saying that it has to be for him? I'm more of a tactical Rifle kinda guy, but I have most the same bases covered, I don't see it as me right , him wrong, just different options he picked? having the ammo as well as the suport gear is far more importtant that 25 other rifles sitting in the closet or safe?