Howa 1500

Discussion in 'General Rifle Discussion' started by Hot Sauce NARC, May 11, 2009.

  1. Hot Sauce NARC

    Hot Sauce NARC New Member

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    It seems like finding a anction for my build might be a little harder than i expected. From my research on here and other places on the internet the howa 1500 action seems like a decent choice. The Howa website has the barrelled actions for about 450 i think. Im wondering if my ffl can order just the action from Howa without the barrell so i can get a kreiger. what do you think? do yo u think the action will be significantly cheaper without the barrell ?
     
  2. cpttango30

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    Most of the time they are but not by much. If you just go and buy the cheapest rifle in the line Then strip the parts you don't need and put them up on Gunbroker or here they will sell and you will end up getting the action cheaper than if you just ordered the action.

    I know a guy that will order you the new savage "Port" action. It is a right bolt left or right port single shot action. One of the stiffest factory actions out there now.
     

  3. Dillinger

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    I don't believe there are many companies selling just rifled actions these days. The market is just too good for full builds.

    Howa is out of Japan, so perhaps they will sell just the action. I did a side by side comparison that is floating around here somewhere that shows the true strengths of the Howa. It's a hell of a good action, especially for a build. It's all CNC cut from one block of steel, nice flat bottom for quality bedding. I really like it.

    Even if you have to buy the full rifle, you can probably get some money out of that factory stock and barrel to offset the cost of your Krieger....

    Excellent choice - I look forward to reading about your progress and how she turns out for you.

    What caliber are you building?

    JD
     
  4. Hot Sauce NARC

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    Howa' s website says they sell just the barrelled actions Howa Rifles

    I was origionally thinking .308 win but im starting to lean toward the 300 win mag , and all the talk on here about the 7mm rem mag has got me interested in its capabilities vs other popular rounds in this area.
     
  5. Dillinger

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    Well, that would definitely save you some coin. You might want to check out the Weatherby Vanguard line up as well. It's almost the same action, still made by Howa with a couple of subtle Weatherby line up tweaks, but it comes with a Sub-Moa guarantee.

    The .308 is available everywhere - but it's effectiveness past about 600 yards really is disappointing.

    I am having my .308 whacked off down to a 20" bull barrel and it's going to be my Urban Tactical application. Roof top to street, or rooftop to building across the street. That sort of thing.

    The 7mm Remington Mag is a hot, flat, long range shooter. It's what the FBI HRT team went to about 3 years ago, maybe a little more. It's a hell of a round.

    .300 Win mag is another flat shooter that has major potentional is a Tactical Application....

    JD
     
  6. cpttango30

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    If you get a 308 or .473" bolt face that opens you up to a lot of different rounds that would fit your bill. From factory chambering to wildcats there are some many different cartridges built off the .473" bolt face size. Shoot even a 284 winchester would work in that. Even though the 6.5-284 is more popular today the 284 in a good quality built rifle will turn in stunning performance.
     
  7. Hot Sauce NARC

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    im really leaning in the direction of the 300 win mag, which i believe means i will have to go up to a magnum length action ? I like the information i have gotten on that cartridge and it will do everything i need from killing coyotes to elk (yes i plan to lug a 14# rifle on an elk hunt....im a man damit anyone who thinks they need a fluted pencil barrell to go out west and shoot big game is a poosay):D and i also want to use it for targets and steel possibly out to 1000 yards....more like 500-600 but i want to know my rifle will do the job if need be.

    I did run into a question earlier. when you order a barrell from one of the major manufactures is the chamber cut to a set spefication, or are they all a little different and you have to make handloads to fit your chamber. I guess what im asking is can i get a barrell cut to use factory premium ammo from the barrell factory, or do i have to get the ammo first and have the chamber cut to fit the ammo?
     
  8. Dillinger

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    Most of the standard cartridges have special reamers that your smith can buy, or in the case of Krieger or one of those places, they can pre-cut for you.

    No pre-cut chamber is going to be as tight as after you fire form the brass with firing the first round and reloading, but if you were to talk to my guy, and tell him you wanted to fire "X" brand of ammo, he would cut the chamber based on those specs. There isn't a ton of difference out there, but it's enough that your fire formed brass will always be a better overall fit ( hand to glove ) than off the shelf boxed ammo....

    JD
     
  9. cpttango30

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    Yes you either want to know what brand and type of ammo you are going to be using and then you go and buy as much of one lot numnber as you can. Then you give some to your smith so he can cut the camber to fit that load. If you are handloading then you can have your smith make a sizing die out of the old barrel or an old barrel.

    Most of the time your smith will get with you one the load you want to go with and he will cut the chamber and throat to meet your specs. You can get the power of the 300 wm in a short action you know that right.
     
  10. Hot Sauce NARC

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    no i did not know that ! tell me how. Is there really a disadvantage of having a long action?
     
  11. Dillinger

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    He is talking about the new WSM and the WSSM ( Winchester Short Magnum and the Winchester Super Short Magnum ).

    Small action cartridge, super fat shell. Puts a ton of pressure in a smaller place. Wears out the barrels a bit faster than normal as well.

    There isn't a problem with a good long action like the Howa. If you were getting a Remington 700 long action, now THAT would be a problem. :D
     
  12. Hot Sauce NARC

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    cool. i think i will stick with the long action .300 win mag due to the barrell wear issues, and ive also heard of feed/magazine problems with the short squatty rounds. I found out that there is an alleged "Custom" gun shop not to far from here over in cayuga IN i called them today.....no answer strike 1, but i will see if they are competent enough to do all the work for me when i get the hardwear.
     
  13. Yunus

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    Kings Mountain Product 1

    $395 for a .300 win mag. Although I bought my Howa at Wal-Mart because it was so close to my house and they are cheaper(they can special order them). Also king's Mountain did not have it in stock. After you pay shipping and FFL fee's it would probably be in your best interest monetarily to get a complete gun locally.

    edit - if your looking for a specific model # of Howa and can't find it, call Legacy sports direct. You can get a real person on the phone pretty quick and they can tell you which distributors they have sold specific model numbers to.
     
  14. Dillinger

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    If you are looking for some standard questions to ask, let me know, I can help you out. :D
     
  15. Hot Sauce NARC

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    sure JD that would be great! I want to make sure im not dealing with some uncommonly smart hillbillies that can talk their way around a new b like me and then drill the holes on my gun with a Dewalt and wal mart drill bits:D
     
  16. Hot Sauce NARC

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    Called the "custom" shop in indiana today and it seems like they are somewhat on the ball im going to head over there sometime this week or next and look at what they have and what there building
     
  17. cbw

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    What does the little lady say about this! :D
     
  18. Dillinger

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    Definitely you need to take a look at the shop.

    See what kind of equipment they have. Ask how long they have been in business.

    Is the place clean? Do they have a ton of hand tools, or only a few. The more the better in this case.

    Ask them what their current market is for people who come in? If they are doing scope mounts and trigger jobs, that is a red flag. A good gun shop does those as fill work while waiting on parts, they don't make a living doing that kind of high turn over work.

    Ask them who they buy their barrels for their custom build guns. If they say Brownell's, or they say they really like doing business with Douglas, you are in the wrong shop.

    A serious rifle shop will be a prefered dealer with a couple of real barrel makers. They don't buy 6 barrels from Brownells once a year.

    Ask to see their book. Every good gun maker should have picture book of work they have done. Take a look at it. Do the rifles look impressive? Also, look at the picture themselves. Do they look like the guy took any time setting up angles with the camera, staging the rifle? Or is it just in a rifle holder and here's a shot of it.

    If the guy doesn't take pride in his work, his photos will show that. Of there are tools scattered all over, if the weapon is dirty, if it's only part of the build, the start and the finish, ask why. Someone that is serious will be showing off his masterpieces, not just stuff he threw together.

    Ask him if he could collaborate with one OTHER gun maker on a weapon for the most important person in his life, ask him who it is, and why.

    Every gunsmith thinks they are the best, but they are not all going to think they are the best at, say, making a stock from scratch, or doing engraving, something like that. If the guy tells you that there is no one else he would trust on such a gun, turn around and walk out. His mouth is MUCH bigger than his ability. Everyone has somebody they respect in the gun business for what their SPECIALTY is. Or they should have someone like that if they had been in the business for any length of time.

    Ask them if they have any local shooters who have placed well recently. A good gunshop will have 2 or 3 rifles shooting every weekend in various competitions. If they don't - there is probably a reason. :rolleyes:

    Other than that, ask about repairs, returns, shop credit or cash back? The usual stuff you would want to find out about before you handing over a bunch of cash.

    Also, make sure you have a good phone number them - and watch what happens when the phone rings and you are there. If they answer 1 call out of 3 or 4 while you are talking, but tell the guy he is with a customer, but will call the guy back, that is a good sign. If he looks at every number on call display, but doesn't answer, or flat out says he isn't going to answer, that is a bad sign. Walk Away, you are never going to get in touch with that guy once he has your money.

    Just some stuff to think about on the drive over....

    JD
     
  19. Dillinger

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    She doesn't know - but no complaints so far. :D