howa 1500, remington 700 tactical packages?

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  1. bradam

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    I am wrapping up 3 ar builds and am looking into bolt actions. Does anyone have any knowledge about the tactical packages in the howa or Remington brands. I was thinking about building from a rem 700 but I came across these tactical packages.entry level starts out around 1200.00 with a 500.00 add for a 5r barrel. They both come with a 24" barrels. I plan on using for long range targets. I was planning on going with the .308 as I will be reloading for my .308ar already but the 300 win mag in the rem. 700 is appealing also. Any input regarding manufacturers and or remarks regarding the caliber would be helpful.
     
  2. sputnik1988

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    I have a Remington 700 tactical with a 20" barrel, I didn't realize that they were available in anything else.

    Anyway, it's a solid rifle but the overmolded stock isn't very good, if I were looking to do a long range target rifle, I'd get an SPS varmint with a 26" barrel and use the money you save to put it in a better stock.

    Edit: forgot caliber opinions.

    I am a big fan of the 308 cartridge, it's probably one of the most versatile rounds out there, being that you reload, that's the route that I would go.

    300 Win-mag is cool, but a bit unnecessary if you are going to be target shooting
     
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  3. John_Deer

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    If you want a tactical bolt action I would just buy an action from howa. Then you can wrap it up with all the tacti-cool stuff you desire. You can even buy a tactical bolt if that is what you want.
     
  4. hq357

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    I would stick with the remington 700 in 308 the 700 is alot more common and aftermarket accessories are everywhere 308 ammo can be shared with your ar

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  5. Axxe55

    Axxe55 The Apocalypse Is Coming.....

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    the Howa is a dang good rifle. solid action and damn good accuarcy. the Remington m700 is a good option as well. as Sputnick said, skip the overmolded stock and get the SPS and replace the stock with a much better aftermarket one. you'll be money ahead. i have only shot the Howa rifles and have owned many M700's over the years, i wouldn't hesitate one bit in recommending the Howa as a choice to buy.

    not sure of what the aftermarket support is for the Howa 1500, but the Remington M700's have excellent support in parts and accessories.

    as far as calibers, depends on what distances you want to shoot at that you consider long distance. IMO, if around 700-800 i would stick with the 308 myself, but if want to stretch out to 900 and up, the 300 WM would be better suited due to be able to use heavier bullets and increased case size for more powder to push the bullets faster than the 308 is capable of. the 308 can go to 1000 yards, but the 300 WM can do it much easier an with the 308 as far as ballistics, it's right about at it's limit.

    in all honesty, sit back and list exactly what you want to acheive and see which will fit your goals the best with the least money spent.
     
  6. bradam

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    The Remington tactical package has 18.20.22.24.26" heavy barrels. The Howa has 18, 20, 22, 24" also heavy barrels. The Remington has eight available calibers and the Howa has four available calibers. Thanks for the reply
     
  7. bradam

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    that makes sense but sometimes I get this fever and lose direction. My collection of ar lowers are proof of that:D
     
  8. Axxe55

    Axxe55 The Apocalypse Is Coming.....

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    i doubt you would be unhappy which ever choice you make. both are very capable and accurate rifles with solid reputations.

    might come down to what caliber you want and which one you can get the best deal on.
     
  9. bradam

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    The deal is the same price across the board. The package price is around 1200.00 comes rifle complete, harris bipod and inexpensive scope I think it was a bushnell non variable( which I would change out). Also add on of 500.00 for a 5r barrel. I have not priced things out completely but I think by the time you buy the action, add a bolt barrel and stock it can get pricey.Then there is also the scope.( I have a 6x18x40 Leopold on my 308AR, may have to up grade on the bolt action) Unless someone makes an argument for something else I believe at this time I have narrowed it down to the 308 or the 300 win mag The only competition will be myself. Thanks for your reply
     
  10. bradam

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    My goal is long distance: I really like my 308ar but was thinking perhaps the 300WM might be a good way to go for two reasons: first it would have better ballistics and second it has a long action so down the road I could change to a longer caliber if need be. This Remintion 700 tactical package seems like a good entry level,confused:confused and I could upgrade later as my skills (hopefully) improve and do not forget the bank account. So what is up with the overmolded stock? Is it something that would work for now? Regarding the 300WM barrel, I have read that they burn out quicker. Is that because of the hotter load, or is that because of the shooter getting the barrel to hot?:confused:
     
  11. Axxe55

    Axxe55 The Apocalypse Is Coming.....

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    for the most part, IMO on the factory synthetic stocks, i think they are the weak link on the M700's. this is why i say buy the cheaper SPS, because it has the same action with a way cheaper stock than even the overmolded one, then upgrade to a higher quality synthetic from H-S Precision, Bell and Carlson, or McMillan. for what you're after, buy the cheaper SPS M700 Varminter in 308 with the heavy barrel and restock it with a better aftermarket stock, replace the trigger with a Timney or Jewell, put some good bases and rings on it with some quality optics and start working up some accurate loads for it. with the exception of the scope, you should be able to buy the rifle, aftermarket stock, trigger, bases and rings and a decent bipod and come it at about $1200-1400 and then buy a good quality scope for it.

    the 300 could be a barrel burner depending on the loads used if they are hot loads and how much the rifle is shot and how much cool down between the shots is taken. the 300 WM is a large case and holds a lot of powder. depends on the powders used too. lots of variables to figure. most people using one for hunting, even using hot loads will probably never burn one out in their lifetime, while a target shooter, shooting a couple of hundred rounds a weekend might possibly burn one out in year or two.
     
  12. John_Deer

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    I know of 300 mag hunting rifles that have been around for a while. But the owners don't shoot them a lot. They shoot up the ammo they have left over from hunting season. Then they shoot maybe 50 rounds before hunting season to check their scopes and get a little practice.
     
  13. bradam

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    convinced on sps

     
  14. CamoToe1

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    26" Sps varmint $600
    20 moa base $90.00
    Burris xtr Rings $60.00
    Bell and carlson light tactical $275
    Harris S-L 9-13" $110.00
    Subtotal. 1,135 x 1.0625 = ~$1,200 after tax.

    Apply $300.00 savings to scope of choice. Then you can have the barrel cut to your desired length while it's in getting the action trued and new trigger installed....These things are worse than AR's!
     
  15. John_Deer

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    Howa has the varmint series of rifles. Other than barrel length and a couple hundred dollars I can't tell the difference. The only thing I don't like is the overmolded stocks. People are having issues with the soft rubber peeling off. I don't like the idea of having to carry a can of contact cement in my gun bag. Buds gun shop has the varmint in 308 with the adjustable stock or laminate stock.
     
  16. jpattersonnh

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    I'm with John Deer on this one. I have a HB Howa 1500 in .308. It has a .22" barrel. Unless you use a very slow burning powder anything longer is no advantage, I use IMR4064, which is fairly slow for .308. There is also no need for a 20moa base if you have decent optics. I use Burris dove tail rings and a Sightron SII3-12x42mmAO. Plenty of adjustment for 700+ yards. I also prefer a Harris 6-9" bipod as a higher one sky lines you. $300.00 towards a scope, keep on going. What is this tax thing? JMHO
     
  17. Txhillbilly

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    If you're looking at the Remington 700,just buy a 700 5R in 308 or 300 WM and be done with it.You don't need to change a thing on that rifle. Add a good base/rings/optics,and go shooting. It comes with a H-S Precision stock,and most of the lower priced 700's will need a better stock on them.
    Buying any of the "Package" rifles is just a waste of money,the scopes are junk,as are the stocks.

    Howa makes a great rifle,but have nowhere near the aftermarket support of a Remington 700 or Savage 10/110 platform.

    I personally like Savage,but the Remington 700 5R is a fantastic rifle,and if they came in LH,I'd own one.

    As far as a barrel burner,the 300 WM will have a shorter life than a 308 in general. I shoot both calibers,but the 300 WM takes over past 700 yards,and can shoot heavier bullets doing it.
    If your wanting to go easy on your shoulder,and even better than the 308 or 300 WM,go with a 6.5 Creedmoor or 260 Remington. Both calibers will mirror the ballistics of a 300 WM at 1k yards,and do it with a 140 grain bullet. I shoot both of these calibers also,and haven't shot either of the .30 caliber rifles since I built and bought the 6.5 CM or 260 Rem. I like the 6.5 mm bullets so much,I'm building a 6.5-06,and using my 300 WM action for it.
     
  18. TLuker

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    I'll second that on the Remington 5R! :)

    Here's mine:

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    It's heavy but it has become my favorite hunting rifle. I don't even look at my other rifles anymore unless I'm hunting in the woods with limited visibility.
     
  19. bradam

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    Thanks all for your input. After a few hours of research I am going with the Remington 700 5R. There seems to be a lot of options. I will have to give a lot more thought on the caliber. the 6.5 creedmore looks interesting. I also like the ballistics of the 300 win mag. Yet since I will be loading for my 308 AR, a 308 bolt action would be nice. Anyway thanks again.
     
  20. sandog

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    Since they don't make the 5R in LH, I went with the SPS in.308 and will be upgrading with a H-S stock and Timney trigger. Remington, choice of the Army, Marines and thousands of S.W.A.T. teams for close to 50 years!
     

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