How to join a state militia?

Discussion in 'Legal and Activism' started by HawkI, Jun 28, 2010.

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  1. HawkI

    HawkI New Member

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    I am a 21-year-old resident of Northern Kentucky (extreme north, a stone's throw away from Cincinnati) looking to join a militia not run by the government. I fear that we may be close to a violent revolution, maybe as soon as in the next two years. I'm a patriot who supports the Constitution (the way our Forefathers intended it) and express great sadness to see where our wonderful country is heading. I have no intention of overthrowing the government or something crazy like that, but just to be a part of a force that protects the rights of Americans and stands up to tyrannical government.

    With that said, I would like anyone's advice on where to look (if you aren't a resident of Kentucky, just let me know what you did). I'm sure there are many fraudulent and corrupt private militant groups that have sinister intentions, so I'd like to have some information on how to avoid those groups. I'm looking for honest, true American patriots whose sole intentions are to protect and promote liberty. Thank you all!
     
  2. doctherock

    doctherock New Member

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    Dont really think there are a whole lot of "militias" out there not run by a hate group or a nut job. Could be wrong though. Hell join the military and make a difference.
     

  3. dunerunner

    dunerunner New Member

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    I agree with Doc. You sound motivated, find a recruiter.

    If you find a Milita to join, let us all know!
     
  4. HawkI

    HawkI New Member

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    Unfortunately, I can't join the military for multiple reasons. For one, I have a minor mental health problem that most places disregard, but the military didn't. Secondly, I really don't like the state the military is in right now. I can't honestly assess what goes on overseas or even at home, but I have many close relatives and friends that are experienced veterans (all served at least 4 years) who express that it would have been a great idea to enlist years ago, but not now. I have nothing against the men and women who serve, in fact I have great respect for them. I just don't want to join and be at the command of politicians who all have their heads up that specific bodily orifice. I'd like to be part of a free group who serves their community and country and does what is right no matter what a politician thinks they should do.
     
  5. skullcrusher

    skullcrusher New Member

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    Well, since you have asked with pure and honest intentions, all I can say is good luck in finding any militia group that is not anarchist or racist at the very least. Those groups attract anti-everything that is not at least white and like minded in their eyes. There is a group of Klansmen out of Louiville that accept all that they deem to be caucasian regardless of religion as long as you are not a follower of Judiasm or of hispanic descent (even though most hispanics are caucasian).

    I am in Ohio and I am a stones throw from the Ohio River. I know of no militia group that is all inclusive to Americans. There might be a few groups out there, but I have yet to see one. Racists tend to use the term "militia" to gather membership and hide behind their fundamentalist ideals. That is my experience anyway.

    My suggestion is this; gather a group of friends who are like minded and plan a strategy for a SHTF scenario. It only takes a few who you know you can trust to be able to depend on one another for survival. Have a meeting point, have your BOB's packed and a strategy. Everyone has a job, and they know what their job is just in case. As a whole, you will fend for each other far better than some group that attracts whack jobs who are just itching to shoot a gubmit agent or person of another color or religion.

    That is unless you are that whack job...:eek:
     
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  6. doctherock

    doctherock New Member

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    Well stated Skull!!!
     
  7. HawkI

    HawkI New Member

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    You know Skull, maybe I should change this thread's title to "How to start your own militia?". Not that I will, just thanks for the idea...
     
  8. pandamonium

    pandamonium New Member

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    Hawk, Skull, as usual, gave some excellent advice. There are many groups around, mostly made up of like-minded folk who want to be able to work as a team if they need to get through hard times, or to defend themselves in case of poopy hittin the fan.
    The definition of militia varys greatly from one person to the next, you need to get an understanding of the type of group you need and be very selective of the kind of people you get involved with. Some groups could be considered radical in their beliefs, some not. Use good judgement,good luck.
     
  9. DrumJunkie

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    There are places in Kentucky but any that you would really want to be a part of are south or west of you. If you do get to talking to anyone keep your mind and ears open. There are groups that call themselves militia but they are not much more than gangs. They are not well trained but will be well armed and be more trouble that you might want to get into. I don't claim to know all of them nor do I want to. But I've met several groups and done a little computer work for a couple. They usually find their people. Not the other way around. Sounds kind of cloak and dagger but it's more a don't want to be bothered by a bunch of Rambo's that are just looking for trouble to get into.

    There is a group a little north of Cincinnati if I remember right. But it's been years since I left there and don't really talk to many that still live up there. I'm sure there are web sites out there if you look around a little. Google is a great thing :)

    Your best bet is to just not worry so much about it. If you have a weapon or so just practice. Train to use them as best you can. There are literally tons of resources out there to draw on. This one you are on now is fantastic. But you might look for some video to help support what you read here. Doing this will help you more than anything. and if you happen to be at a range or someplace and someone talks to you about things like you are asking about be very careful. Just because someone says they are militia does not mean that they are someone/something you want to be affiliated with. The best thing you can do for yourself is find a couple people that you really trust. Family,true trusted friend(s). This will be your best ally if there is actually a situation that requires you to ensure your safety and/or that of your loved ones. Bottom line is if something bad happens you will be right where you are and travel might not be all that easy to do. Do some forward thinking. Have things like food, medical supplies,ammo on hand. Have a plan. There will be plenty of people ready to call you a nut job or paranoid. Even amoung the gun culture there are plenty that have been blinded by media and the like that want to keep you in the dark and willing to keep your head down and just be part of the machine that wishes to control you. THe fact that you are looking for the information you are means that the blinders have been at least somewhat removed and you want to be ready for a situation that could end up bad.
    So look for all the info you can get your hands on. Keep asking questions here on the boards. There are many really smart people here. Many know about one aspect but might not have all the info in another. But there will be someone come along that does. Adn remember, it's what you learn after you know it all that really counts.:)
     
  10. danf_fl

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    My county started one (but has since petered out). We signed on at the same time we did voter registration. Check with the local talk radio station. Maybe they could generate enough interest.
    What is needed is the same as any other group. By-laws, Mission statement, applications, member lists, regular meetings, etc...
    Try to be different than rebellion groups, get involved in local politics, and volunteer to make a difference in the county by helping others as an organization.
     
  11. NitroxAZ

    NitroxAZ New Member

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    That advice right there is spot on.
     
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  12. Dillinger

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    I would say right here is a great place to start. Let's look at what the FTF Member Militia would have going for it.
    • Honesty
    • Hard Working
    • No Non-Sense
    • Let's cut the BS and fix the damn problem
    • Doing the right thing for the right reason, not when it's convenient
    • Believe in the Constitution and core values of our Fore-Fathers
    • Relying on one's self instead of handouts
    • Support secure borders without alienating LEGAL immigration
    • Support Smaller, more transparent, government
    • Support Tax dollars being spent at home first
    I think this list could run another three pages if you take a look at the position of a lot of our posters/members concerning issues that arise concerning our formerly great nation.

    And let's not forget that our members have some really cool toys and really know how to use them. :cool:;)

    JD
     
  13. bkt

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    99% of the individual gripes people have with government today would disappear immediately if the government were to obey the Constitution. Here's my list:

    • Physically fit
    • Honesty & Integrity
    • Principled (what's good for me might also be good for someone I don't like, but that's OK...the understanding that "I'm only as free as my most-oppressed neighbor" is important.)
    • Our militia supports the Constitution of the United States and does not answer to transient elected or appointed officials
    • Rugged-individualism: Self-reliance/self-sufficiency
    • Skilled with arms
     
  14. superc

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    About 16 States or Territories have formal state government run militias per 32 USC 109. To my knowledge only 2 of those are sometimes armed, Ohio and NY. Many can be armed, but that isn't likely to happen (thanks to their past performance when they were armed) in this political environment without much internal change. I also know that 2 others are more on paper than reality as their membership size is carefully controlled, and fewer than the fingers on your hands. California and Puerto Rico. A shame about PR really, as PR's saw combat in both WWI with Blackjack Pershing and in WWII at Normandy and deployments to Nicaragua in the late 20th century.

    During WWII most of the State Defense Force militias were also known as the Home Guard.

    Between the period of the Civil War Reconstruction and 1900 many of the State Militias had exciting times. In some states, SC for instance, they became armed oppressors of the freed slaves. (See today's Supreme Ct. decision for more mention of that). In other states the Governors used them (or tried to) to suppress coal miner strikes and enforce Railroad confiscations of Land. [See a "America's Armories: Architecture, Society, and Public Order," by Fogelson for more about that.] By 1900 many of them had been converted to being the first State Police forces. Prior to WWI (1906?) the Congress passed laws turning the various remaining state militias into a National Guard/Army Reserve. With the coming of WWI and the Federalization of the NG units some states saw a need for forces of their own and the first Home Guard militia units were formed.

    American Samoa also had a Territorial Defense Force militia prior to the WWII Japanese invasion. With about 50 members and primary mission of being the Honor Guard of the territorial governor they had about 4 Springfield 03s for Color Guard purposes, and some M-22 .22 rifles. Members and family associates of that Territory Defense Force were then hunted down like dogs by the Japanese and executed wherever and whenever on the Isles they were found. So far as I know that unit was never reconstituted after the War ended.

    After WWII many states disbanded their Home Guard militias. Some merger or overlap of State Guard units and Civil Defense volunteers also occurred during the early Cold War years. In Alaska's post WWII years the Alaskan Home Guard was issued military rifles and other supplies and provided a military recon capability across the vast territory. There was at least one incident in the 1980s where members of the Alaskan Guard on a drill were found executed on a beach in the Aleutians. Being a drill, their rifles weren't loaded. As expended AK-47 rounds littered the area it has long been speculated that they may have encountered Soviet Spetznaz forces on a clandestine operation. The last I heard about them, President Clinton was ordering their military issued M-16s be confiscated and the unit disbanded.

    As the Cold War heated up, President Regan issued an Executive Order allowing the State Legislatures to form Defense Forces under 32 USC 109. Originally the members of these forces were envisioned as functioning behind Soviet lines in the event of a WW III invasion. Kind of a Wolverines a la 'Red Dawn' scenario. Different Governors and different state legislators had different ideas. Congress provided no funding. Each State that went ahead and created a State Militia Defense Force has a slightly (radically in some cases) different idea of what the mission of the unit should be and who should be in it and who should control it. [Most usually they come under the control of the State Dept. of Military Affairs.] Some states want nothing to do with it and believe their NG forces are sufficient. Some states issue promotions as political prizes. The title 'Kentucky Colonel' comes to mind. All Congressmen or women from VA are also 3rd LTs in VA's Defense Force. Some state's units are way more fun to belong to than others. Some do things. Some other States hold drills that consist solely of visiting the Armory twice a year and eating Pizza. Even within a state some units are very different than their brothers on the other side of the state. During Hurricane Katrina both Mississippi and Maryland activated and deployed their militia Defense Forces to the devastated areas. [MD's Defense Force is unique as it is a solely medical oriented MASH type unit (most other states view their Defense Forces as Infantry) composed almost entirely of Doctors and Nurses.] Some State Defense Forces require fingerprint and other background checks (including medical), others operate on the honor system and you are supposed to tell them if your prior felony convictions might be an issue, and you can join them with one foot in the nursing home door. The skill sets and training sophistication of the units also varies. Some have boats or planes, some have both. Needless to say, how the Army and the National Guard views these units has a lot to do with exactly which unit, and in what town, you are asking about.

    There is an organization that both tracks the various State Defense Force militias, and attempts through legislation and by arranging training to professionalize the different units. That is the State Guard Association of the United States ( SGAUS.org ).
     
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  15. pioneer461

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    HawkI
    A couple of years ago I did some research into militia groups. I had (have) many of the same concerns you express. I know from first hand experience that the government (federal, state, local) can not be counted on to help us when the SHTF, in whatever form that takes. I was interested in linking up with like minded folks who could be counted on to band together to defend our communities. The classic definition of militia is armed average citizens who are willing to do just that.

    The current, legal definition of militia is:
    US CODE TITLE 10 > Subtitle A > PART I > CHAPTER 13 > § 311 § 311. Militia: composition and classes.

    There are several militia forums that are easy to find and join. What I found when I joined a few, was a group of outlaw minded, racist, hate groups that are anti-government, anti-police, and who want to overthrow the US Government. They want to be left alone to do whatever kind of crime they wish and to smoke their marijuana without interference. Once I realized what they preach, I quickly departed from them. The very word "militia" has been corrupted by them and by the uninformed news media who are quick to place it on some citizens as a pejorative.

    If you decide to explore any of those, be careful what you get into, because I would be very surprised if they are not being monitored by the FBI.
     
  16. layton

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    Well, believe it or not, there is one that si not what the general consensus, look at the site I am listing and just read the rules listed on the front page and they are enforced,and there are groups in the States mentioned.If you like join and look around, if it is not for you then you can leave, no sweat.
    http://wellregulatedamericanmilitias.com/
    Layton
     
  17. HawkI

    HawkI New Member

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    Great idea!
     
  18. XstraightshooterX

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    i also want to join a non gov't controlled militia but my home state of Rhode Island doesn't have one is it possible for me to start one or bring a extinct one back to life???? i also fear a violent uprising happening soon and i want to help keep my state's existence, but a state of the PEOPLE not corrupt politicians. the US flag doesn't even mean the same anymore due to these corrupt politicians trampling all over it like it was there kamode. I am sick of seeing this country fall of the "edge" like California is slowly falling into the ocean. someone got to do somethimg and it's got to be the PEOPLE
     
  19. towboater

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    If there is a Tea Party rally nearby, attend. Try to convince others to vote, and support the Tea Party.
     
  20. bkt

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    Check RI state laws to see about starting a militia. It is illegal start one in New York; it may be fine in RI or it may be illegal.

    If you're concerned about a violent uprising comprised of unlawful idiots rioting, looting, raping, etc. (as we saw in London recently), join the Guard. Any group that does not coordinate with the Guard or Governor's office may well become a target along with the BGs you're trying to bring under control. Vigilantism, as justifiable as it may be in some circumstances, is not looked upon favorably by the gov't.
     
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