How Second Amendment Are You?

Discussion in 'Legal and Activism' started by partdeux, Feb 9, 2020.

  1. alsaqr

    alsaqr Well-Known Member Supporter

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    Yeah, folks jump on gun boards and advocate for the Second Amendment "rights" of criminals. IMO: That makes us all look like knuckle draggers.

    Those who believe that felons have a right to own firearms should work a couple years in a prison as a corrections officer. Prisons are not about "rehabilitation", they are about locking folks up. Young first offenders often idolize career criminals who talk about getting over on the "man": Most leave prison as savvy educated criminals. i've seen newly released young inmates cry because they were leaving all their friends.

    Prisons are the largest industry in the USA.

    There is a federal program that allows convicted felons to petition for restoration of their Second Amendment rights. The names of those whose gun rights were restored was printed in the Congressional register. The program was de-funded in 1992 because too many felons with restored gun rights went on to commit violent crimes, including rape, kidnapping and murder.

    BTW: Allan Gottlieb of SAF is a convicted felon whose gun rights were restored after a conviction for tax evasion.
     
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  2. JimRau

    JimRau Well-Known Member Supporter

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    Again, the RTKABA's (to obtain, posses, and carry arms) can ONLY be addressed on a FEDERAL level, as the states ONLY have right to address how the 'arms' ARE USED (for anything other than SD) per the BOR's (tenth amendment)! So it is just common sense that if a person has been adjudicated as a VIOLENT criminal HIS RIGHTS can be denied, BUT ONLY BY THE FEDS!!! These provisions/RIGHTS have been TOTALLY ABUSED BY THE GUBERMANT FOR DECADES!:mad: To clarify, ' violent criminals' do not give up their right of self defense, the right to defend themselves from others who would victimize them, BUT they can be denied the RTKABA's.
     
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  3. Ghost1958

    Ghost1958 Well-Known Member

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    The feds, and the states , drew up and passed a constitutional amendment , the 2A , that prohibits the interfering with the peoples RTKABA.

    I've seen nothing written in that amendment that provided the gov fed or state ANY circumstance where either may interfere wit that right.

    Nor has anyone else because it is not there.

    Any court opinion, law passed, fed or state that violates that right was and is simply based on an authority to made up out of thin air without one syllable of constitutional or lawful authority.

    That includes the act that prohibited released felons from their RTKABA.
     
  4. alsaqr

    alsaqr Well-Known Member Supporter

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    People's opinions on gun boards means zip when it comes to Constitutional issues. The federal courts decide Constitutional issues.
     
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  5. W.T. Sherman

    W.T. Sherman Well-Known Member

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    for a minute there I thought I wandering into a ACLU BB, giving convicted felon their rights to the 2A back, because as some of you put it, "they served their time and are now honest citizens..

    if you are OK with that, then you would have no problems whatsoever with having a convicted child molester baby sitting your young children or grandchildren. after all, as you pointed out
    "they served their time and are now honest citizens.." [​IMG][​IMG]
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  6. Ghost1958

    Ghost1958 Well-Known Member

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    Ok.
    Here's a SCOTUS ruling for you,

    Red herring argument. There is no unalienable right to be a baby sitter.

    There is to be armed as one wishes , where one wishes.
     
  7. Gatoragn

    Gatoragn Well-Known Member Supporter

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    So if the court says felons can vote, own guns, etc. you will be all warm and fuzzy at that point! Right?
     
  8. Ghost1958

    Ghost1958 Well-Known Member

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    Peoples opinions on gun boards mean zip when it comes to the subject of judicial review, created , again, out of thin air by Marbury vs Madison case where SCOTUS granted itself judicial review.
    An authority mentioned nowhere in the constitution.

    A subject still highly debated by constitutional scholars as to its legitimacy.

    I have no time to look it up right now, but, SCOTUS itself ruled that a law repugnant to the constitution is null and void , and NO court can legitimize such a law.
     
  9. Trunk Monkey

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    Let's not forget that when the second amendment was written half the things that these people go to prison for multiple times they would have been hanged the first time they did it and their RTKABA wouldn't have been an issue
     
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  10. Gatoragn

    Gatoragn Well-Known Member Supporter

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    Last time I checked, all 9 justices on the SCOTUS, and every appellate court judge, crap between two feet just like the rest of us. They are human, they are subject to political bias and they can be right sometimes and wrong sometimes.

    Oh, just because something is deemed legal does not guarantee it is "right".
     
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  11. Trunk Monkey

    Trunk Monkey Well-Known Member

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    At one time SCOTUS was OK with slavery
     
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  12. Ghost1958

    Ghost1958 Well-Known Member

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    All due respect, your point is?

    There are no qualifiers in the 2A . No if this changes or most folks dont like the RTKABA.
     
  13. Gatoragn

    Gatoragn Well-Known Member Supporter

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    Kept the recidivism rates low I bet.
     
  14. Ghost1958

    Ghost1958 Well-Known Member

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    Again,, your point is??

    SCOTUS isnt infallible by any means, and created their authority over the RTKABA out of thin air, just as gov has.

    I on only pointed out their checkered past in response to the idea that SCOTUS has the authority to rule anything concerning the RTKABA beyond striking down any and all regulations of it.
     
  15. Gatoragn

    Gatoragn Well-Known Member Supporter

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    Kept the recidivism rates low I bet.
     
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  16. Ghost1958

    Ghost1958 Well-Known Member

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    That doesn't really answer RAC's question.
    Is the law banning free felons from guns preventing crimes?

    The answer would be no.

    Heck does the ban on felons from possessing a firearm even stopping said felons from arming themselves at will?

    Answer again, no.

    An unconstitutional act that does nothing.
     
  17. Trunk Monkey

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    Based on your response, you're either trolling are you have zero experience with violent criminal offenders. Because if you did you would know those are the last people on this planet you would want to have a gun.

    So project Exile was actually done in Richmond Virginia for 2 years. The basis of the program was that any felon who was caught in possession of a firearm was prosecuted for the federal crime, sentenced to prison for the full 10 years and then moved out of state.

    Within six months the number of firearms related crimes in Richmond dropped and the Felons stopped carrying guns because they knew that if they got caught they really would go to prison for it.

    The reason the law doesn't prevent felons from arming themselves or at least deter them is because it's never enforced.

    There's a provision in the 4th amendment for a person to be deprived of their life liberty or property through due process of law.

    If a violent criminal offender chooses to commit a crime I am completely okay with rescinding their civil liberties until such time as they earn them back.

    Alternatively, we can start doing what they did in the 18th century and hang the bastards
     
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  18. W.T. Sherman

    W.T. Sherman Well-Known Member

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    ghost and others who are vehemently arguing for felons to be able to own guns, has nothing to do with rights, but because it's, guns. talk about "emotional knee jerk reaction"...……. this a prime example

    thing is, there is a recourse for felons to have their gun rights restored, as well as voting rights, by petitioning the gov't to get those rights returned.

    would they be as passionate if they were pedophiles or members of NAMBALA arguing about it's their, and others like them, their "inalienable right" to have sex with children? more then likely, yes
     
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  19. alsaqr

    alsaqr Well-Known Member Supporter

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    Ain't going to happen. In any event numerous states have laws preventing felons from owning firearms. Those laws will stand.

    Would you have a warm and fuzzy feeling if a close female relative brought home a level three sex offender?
     
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  20. Gatoragn

    Gatoragn Well-Known Member Supporter

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    I am not a proponent of felons owning guns, nor voting, being a felon should have severe consequences.

    The issue/question is whether or not you believe someone appointed to the SCOTUS to be infallible?