How powerful is the average bird shot shell?

Discussion in 'General Shotgun Discussion' started by Twisted4000, Aug 13, 2011.

  1. Twisted4000

    Twisted4000 New Member

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    This is my first post on the forum, I just singed up today.

    I've been hearing multiple myths about bird shots. People Say that they will not kill a person even when they're like 20 feet away. What? That just sounds completely fake to me... I mean, I have a Mossberg 500 and I just bought a box of 12-ga 7-1/2'' shot bird shots, so it has about 350 pellets inside of it, and these people are telling me that if I shot someone in my house with it, they would survive and still be able to attack me? It just sounds completely fake to me.

    I know they're generally weak, yes, but they can't be THAT weak, c'mon. It's 350 pellets of hot lead going at an extremely fast speed. I'll go out and shoot 'em at some 2 liter water bottles tomorrow to see what they do to 'em, but you can't be telling me that these things aren't going to stop someone from attacking me, right?
     
  2. dunerunner

    dunerunner New Member

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    At what range? Within 10 feet it can be devistating.
     

  3. Virginian

    Virginian Active Member

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    I tend to agree with you. There is almost no actual shooting data to back up all the suppositions as to what you need. People are not deer - they are nowhere near that tough. I have seen what a #8 dove load did to a 400 pound hog that was hit by a car shot at 15 feet, and believe me I don't think I have ever seen anyone who could have survived that. I am of the opinion a whole lot of people are just into the baddest thing they can find is all, or what they think is baddest.
    I live in a frame house with siding. If someone gets in the door, in spite of the dogs, if my duck gun doesn't stop them with the first shot of #3s, if they keep coming the second shot will. If their compatriots aren't discouraged by the bloody mess blown back out the door, I have more shells and several handguns. If they decide to stand out in the yard and rake the house with a full auto AK-47 I'm dead anyway, and all the lights on the fore end, pistol grips, shells in elastic on the butt, lasers, and extended magazines in the world ain't gonna help.
    The doctrine for true home defense says to wait behind a barrier, but then they also say you need a short barrel to maneuver around corners and a light. I think they are playing mall ninjas, but that's okay, to each their own. I still like single action revolvers and fast draw. Just don't confuse need with want.
     
  4. WDbeej

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    Bird shot, 00 Buck or rock salt, I would not want to be hit with it at any distance. But the smaller the shot, the nearer to target to increase lethality. Hell, you could load beach sand in a shot gun load and it would be lethal at close range (a couple of feet). If it is point blank - muzzle contact, you do not even need shot if you are not going through thick clothing. Blanks can be lethal. And if that fails, hit them with the buttstock really hard
     
  5. Twisted4000

    Twisted4000 New Member

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    Thanks for the reply.

    Yes, I too assume that even tiny birdshot pellets would be lethal at close range, and I mean like 10-30 feet.
     
  6. Twisted4000

    Twisted4000 New Member

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    Yeah, I'm with you on that one... shotguns are very powerful, and it's more about velocity and numbers rather than just weight and size... but hey, we'll see what bird shots are really capable of tomorrow, I should have a video uploaded to YouTube of it by then...
     
  7. c3shooter

    c3shooter Administrator Staff Member

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    Google "Box o truth"
     
  8. Hawg

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    I used to work with a guy that was shot in the stomach with a single barrel 12 gauge loaded with #6 shot from across a small bedroom. He lost half his stomach and part of his intestines but he took the gun away from the guy that shot him and beat him to death with it before he called an ambulance.
     
  9. opaww

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    I have seen people use bird shot to defend with and it worked for them at close range. I like #4 shot for in home use.
     
  10. robocop10mm

    robocop10mm Lifetime Supporting Member Lifetime Supporter

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    I would not consider using anything smaller than #4 shot in a 12 gauge. Because of decreased payload, #2 in 20 ga and buck in .410.

    I good 1 1/2oz load of #4 will definately incapacitate. I saw one that took a blast at about 20 yards. Most pellets penetrated the chest/heart/lungs and lodged in the far side of the chest cavity. Pretty effective judging by the autopsy I attended.
     
  11. IGETEVEN

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    Prolly would been a different ending if the now deceased fella, would have aimed just a little bit higher.
     
  12. cgersty

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    On the show 1000 ways to die, a drunk guy was tired of his budding bumming his cigs, so he cut the top of a shell off and dumped the shot out, then pack it back with some cigs, shot them at his buddy and they penetrated his throat and face and it killed the guy, so yes they are lethal, and Im with the other guys if the rack of the slide aka "national get the f*ck out of my house" sound doesn't do it, then the first shot definitely will definitely get their attention, and it they have help with them they are all gonna say fu*ck this were outta here, and if not thats when there asses are getting the pdx1 out of the .45 LOL

    Gersty
     
  13. shootinfool

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    Cgersty you better be careful about what you believe is true on tv, im not saying that a shotgun shell rigged like that wouldnt kill somebody but im not 100% sure that everything on that tv show is true.

    "it flies it dies", "its brown its down"
     
  14. cgersty

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    I dont really believe it but they claim that it is real, this is one of those mythbuster things.

    Man Shot Dead With Cigarette Butts - ABC News

    I dont know about shotguns but this was a ciggarette butt fired from a rifle.

    Gersty
     
  15. orangello

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    The first round in my "alarm clock" Mossy is bird shot. It's maybe 20 feet to my bedroom door. I've shot a crapload of cheapo/bulk birdshot at a WIDE variety of targets for fun & mischief, and i feel pretty safe behind it. The rest of the mag tube is full of buck with the last one being a slug, in case of a harder target.

    Of course, my open-when-home safe isn't 15 feet from my bed, so i have options if the shotty doesn't seem adequate (loaded SKS +4 mags, loaded XD45 + 6 mags, loaded CZ75b + 8 mags, loaded GP100 + 2 speedloaders, loaded CZ52 +2 mags (for blinding us all) etc.). I also have a small handgun lockbox that i may attach to the bottom of my bedside table to be able to access one pistol + a few mags on the downlow. Lest they feel slighted and sell me out, I also have two guard cats on hand for hissing and distraction. :)
     
  16. Jpyle

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    Damn Gello...when did you move to Mogadishu? :rolleyes:
     
  17. Dennis845

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    Know a guy who lost his left eye at about 60 yards quail hunting with #8 shot. Was wearing prescription glasses instead of shooting glasses.
     
  18. Hawg

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    That's true but he didn't. Just sayin.
     
  19. moonpie

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    doesn't matter if its birdshot or hollowpoint it's where you're hit that counts(would/could/might have arguments aside). i am curious about whose bedroom it was .
     
  20. Twisted4000

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    I Know the Answer

    Alright, I'm done shooting for today, I fired about 23 rounds of 2-3/4'', 12-ga, 7-1/2'' bird shot rounds through my Mossy today. And yes, they have smaller shots than most bird shots, so I thought it would be a pretty decent example...

    Anyway, I shot a bunch of 2 liter water bottles. They ripped right through them from about 35 feet away, and at about 15 feet away, it completely blew their tops off.

    Yes, a buckshot will pretty much completely blow up water bottles, but the bird shot (even with 7-1/2'' bird shots) are not to be underestimated. For home defense, which is usually in between 10-20ft, I'd say they'd kill your intruder without too much of a problem. Especially because these were 7-1/2'' loads, not 2'' or 1''.

    I conclude that bird shots are adequate home defense shots. Think about it. A 12-ga buck shot will completely obliterate your enemy for one thing, but it WILL go through them and it WILL destroy and go through your walls, so pretty much the entire general location you fire a buckshot in, it's going to get completely demolished.

    For home defense, bird shots may almost be a requirement when your living in a generally tight suburban area, like where I live. Whoever says that bird shots will not be enough to take down your enemy, and that they could easily have enough energy to go to you and kill you... well... I think that's just BS. I actually tested it out with SMALL bird shots, I didn't just get some weird information that anyone could've made up on the internet... I saw it for myself today.

    Thanks for the replies.