How possible/probable is it that a hunter mistook a horse for a deer?

Discussion in 'Hunting Forum' started by orangello, Nov 25, 2009.

  1. Not at all likely

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  2. Somewhat likely

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  3. Likely to very likely

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  1. orangello

    orangello New Member

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    Something happened locally that i don't recall hearing about before. A young man was hunting in a National Forest near where there is a public-access horseback riding trail. He apparently shot two people off their horses within seconds of one another. He is claiming that he mistook the horse for a deer. He did drive the injured people to get medical help. The incident is under investigation, primarily by the MDWFP (game wardens). It is my understanding that the area was approved for hunting, but that he has been cited for "hunting from a public road" for firing from a public dirt road (looked small, one lane, not sure though).

    I am not a big-time deer hunter or a regular rider of horses, but i don't think i could confuse a white-tail deer with a horse if for no other reason than sheer size (full grown horses). Am i wrong in thinking this guy may have intended to shoot these people or to shoot "at" their group for some reason?

    Poll question is "Is it likely that a person could mistake an adult horse for a white-tail deer (daytime conditions)?"

    I plan to update with a link to the news story & any new charges against anyone involved. Update* Link to story in Sun Herald http://www.sunherald.com/pageone/story/1763665.html
     
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  2. Dillinger

    Dillinger New Member

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    I am going to have to say there is NO WAY a hunter should be shooting at a horse and claiming it was a deer.

    And even IF he thought they were deer. How the hell did he hit two people sitting on top of the deer?? I mean, C'mon now. Really?

    I call bs on the whole story....
     

  3. orangello

    orangello New Member

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    Updated with link to story in newspaper. I'm still not clear on whether they were on the same horse or not. It was buckshot that hit them.
     
  4. OC357

    OC357 New Member

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    Not at all likely in my opinion.

    OC
     
  5. Walley

    Walley New Member

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    Over the years I have know of at least six people who have lost horses to idiots that mistook them for deer. One of my close friends lost a show winning Jersey heifer to a hunter shooting from his car. The animal was standing about fifty feet from the owner’s barn and my friend caught the moron trying to load the heifer onto the hood of his car. I raise horses and keep them in the barn during deer season just for that reason.
     
  6. IGETEVEN

    IGETEVEN New Member

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    The guy is a moron. He apparently did not verify his target and shot at movement. :mad:

    Piss poor hunting tactics and skills, IMO. :rolleyes:

    Now what? Horses in high visible orange vests for deer season? :confused:

    How about this?

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    Jack
     
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  7. orangello

    orangello New Member

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    There was some commentary in a follow-up article about riders wearing orange for safety during hunting season. As far as the horse, i audited a lady who custom monogrammed "coolers" (like a horsey poncho) for show horses; i didn't ask about "safety orange" as a color option.

    I did think of one horse shooting during deer season; somebody was spotlighting & popped an old nag belonging to a quasi-relative. IIRC, they paid dude for the horse & apologized.
     
  8. hunter Joe

    hunter Joe New Member

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    In the believe it or not section, this happened in Wisconsin a few years back. Some idiot shot the horse right out from under a young girl. It's that if "it's brown it's down" mentality. This gives people tunnel vision so they really forget what hunting is all about.

    People should alway remember that is is called hunting and not killing. Harvesting game is just a bonus. (IMO)
     
  9. Win73

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    I don't know how "likely", that is what percentage of the time it happens, but I can believe about anything could be and in fact probably has been shot by, and I use the term loosely, deer hunters.

    One case I personnally know of was a fellow who shot a goat for a deer. This fellow was an experienced deer hunter. And he grew up and lived his whole life in the country.

    I also know of a fellow who was hunting with a high school kid. The kid mistook him for a squirrel and shot him.

    I have heard or read of mules, cattle, horses and even dogs being shot for deer. And I have seen pictures where farmers have painted "COW" on the side of their cattle during deer season.

    I will tell a story on myself now. I once almost shot a cow thinking it was a skunk! How in the world can you mistake a cow for a skunk? Glad you asked that. I will tell you how. I was walking across a field on the family farm. There was a patch of blackberry briars about 20 feet from me. Through a hole in the briars I could see at ground level a stripe of white fur with black fur on each side of it moving around. Through the opening in the briars that is all I could see, white fur and black fur, no body features at all. Well I drew my .357 mag and drew a bead on the white stripe. Now at this point a lot of people would have opened fire. But I wanted to be sure of my target, so I started edging closer. When I got to within about five feet I could see what it was. On the opposite side of the briar patch was a creek bed with about a three foot high bank. One of my brother's cows, a cross between a black angus and a whiteface hereford, was standing in the creek sticking its head over the bank of the creek eating grass. And if I had fired I would have put a .357 slug right between its eyes.
     
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  10. ItsmeShane

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    well I can see this happening. In North Carolina, according to the DNR officers, it is perfectly legal for you to be so drunk that you cant even stand up and be out hunting and nobody can say anything to you until you hurt yourself/someone else, or damage property.

    Its sad to say but I can actually see some drunk guy hunting on a farm around here and see a horse through the scope saying "thats a BIG ONE" and shoot it.
     
  11. spittinfire

    spittinfire New Member Supporter

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    There is no way you could mistake a horse for a deer. I agree with JD, story is total BS. Average white tail deer is in the 125# area, a monster would be 225ish. Horse? 1000 and up. You ever seen a 1400# deer? Then you shot it twice and missed the kill zone by a solid 4 feet? BS!!
     
  12. Walley

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    Why do you feel that it is impossible for some idiot to mistake a horse for a deer? Take the time and research the literature and you will find that it is not an isolated event. Every year horses, cows, donkeys, mules, goats, dogs and people are shot by fools who should never been allowed to be out hunting in the first place. This spring, near here, a father shot his five-year-old son thinking that he was a turkey. Two years ago, during the muzzle-loading season, someone shot and wounded a 2000 lb. Belgian draft horse that was laying down in a field just south of me. I am soon to be 72 years old and now I will only hunt on private land because of all the well-armed morons out on the public land. Last time I was out there a would be deer assassin took a shot at me but luckily missed. Yes I had a blaze orange vest and cap on.
     
  13. spittinfire

    spittinfire New Member Supporter

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    I've heard the stories you're talking about and I know it happens. Maybe my post wasn't clear. Let's say he mistook the horse for a deer and tried to shoot it. He missed, twice and killed 2 people? I call BS on the deer/horse story.
    Just a few years ago here in NC, some idiot shot an elk thinking it was a deer. He got in HUGE trouble because they're trying to bring them back into population here.
     
  14. dog2000tj

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    I voted that it is not at all likely, but hat does not mean it doesn't happen. :(

    Living in NY i can say without a doubt that their are quite a few people who have no business handling a firearm, even more so during hunting season. It has happened on more than one occasion that someone has been shot/killed because some other "hunter" shot them, mistaking them for whatever game they were after. A few years ago a father killed his own son, shooting at movement behind brush. :confused:

    In my opinion, if you are licensed to hunt a specific game and end up shooting/killing something other than that game than 2 things should happen,

    1. That person should never be licensed to hunt again.
    2. That person should have any.all firearms taken away from them.


    Stupid people doing stupid **** with firearms is what makes it so harder on the rest of us. :mad:
     
  15. Walley

    Walley New Member

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    People who screw up when hunting should also.

    1. Pay a big fine.
    2. Do at least a year in jail.
    3. Be banned from hunting in every state.
    4. Never again be allowed to own a firearm
     
  16. Dillinger

    Dillinger New Member

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    "The mother and child were among several horseback riders who were on Big Foot horse trail, a 21-mile stretch through piney woods. The trail is designated for horse riding and hiking. Much of the trail is near public roads, where shooting is prohibited"

    Okay. Don't get hung so much on whether a hunter COULD mistake a horse for an deer/elk.

    This was a 10 year old girl and her mom in a RIDING PARTY.

    Now, if you are using a scope, how do you NOT notice the fact that the animals have tack and gear and OH, I don't know, PEOPLE on them???

    And, if you aren't using a scope, how do you NOT have such a field of view that you don't notice that this is a RIDING PARTY of people on horses???

    The story had better include drugs &/or alcohol to even make this ridiculous story plausible as to how it happened, otherwise this guy needs to be brought up on attempted murder charges.

    JD
     
  17. ItsmeShane

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    I didn't know there was even a population of elk in North Carolina, are they trying to build it up to preserve, or to hunt? I've heard elk are a difficult game to hunt and I think that would be fun.
     
  18. Txhillbilly

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    It has probably been about 15 yrs ago,that a hunter here in Tx. shot a woman in the arse with a 30-30 while she was hanging laundry on her clothes line in her back yard. He thought she was a turkey,she was evidently bent over the laundry basket.
    Stuff like this happens,people that are novice hunters and get buck fever will shoot at just about anything that moves.
     
  19. skullcrusher

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    Is it legal to shoot turkey with a 30-30 in Texas? :eek:

    Poachers are who give actual hunters a bad name. Just like gangstas give gun owners a bad name. Poachers are worse, because they own guns as well. Effin idiots and criminals. :mad:
     
  20. c3shooter

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    I voted very likely. Should not BE very likely, but it is. Some idiots with a hunting license have IQs below room temp (on a really cool day). Some of my family are diary farmers, and hunting season si a nightmare for them. And no, a Holstein looks NOTHING like a white tailed deer.