How do you answer to 911 and police in the event you just used you weapon in defense?

Discussion in 'Concealed Carrying & Personal Protection' started by marinefreak200, Jan 7, 2013.

  1. marinefreak200

    marinefreak200 New Member

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    Okay so I just took my CC class and one question I forgot to ask him was how to tell police and 911 that you just shoot someone. My father who is also a CC holder said his instructor told him to never tell 911 and police that you just shot the perp but request a '96 hour silence' kind of a deal like cops get when involved in an altercation. They get a paid administrative leave pending a case. I don't think that is a great idea, I believe you should tell the 911 operator and police that you did shoot the bad guy but that you did have a reasonable reason to stop the threat... No you didn't shoot to kill but to stop the suspect from doing harm to you or your family. How would you respond to these questions if asked by police??

    I have been carrying for a while now both open and concealed while staying legal. I figured it was time to get my CCW so I can branch out and carry without worrying about a felony and screwing up my chances of carrying. I've been shooting for 14 years and am a current Marine so I can not and do not want to miss out on such an important right. I just want the knowledge from people who have been carrying for some time.

    Thanks for your input!
     

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  2. CHLChris

    CHLChris New Member

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    "I need help right away. (One man/two people) has been shot and is (lying on the floor/hanging out of my window). (Give address/name) My life was in danger and I had to protect myself." No more. You may repeat the same sentences again as appropriate. I would probably stay on the phone, but any requests for further details would result in me repeating the last sentence again. And again.

    When the police arrive, I'd say as little as possible, just reiterations of the same key phrase, "My life was in danger and I had to protect myself."

    I do wonder who I would call for legal representation...
     
  3. Axxe55

    Axxe55 The Apocalypse Is Coming.....

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    i have to agree with both these. please read the sticky that Canebrake wrote at the beginning of this section. very informative and very detailed. many of your concerns are answered here.

    key word here is, you were involved in a shooting, not that you shot anyone. now you really haven't given any details, but you can't be accused of lying either. you were involved in a shooting if you discharged your firearm.
     
  4. TexasBear

    TexasBear New Member

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    In both of those situations you have admitted guilt. Never admit to anything.

    "911. What is your emergency?"

    "There has been a shooting at (address/nearby business) with (number of bad guys). I am in the parking lot in a green t-shirt and jeans. My name is (your name). There are more possible bad guys in the area so it is not safe for me to talk right now." Hang up.

    No operator should say, stay on the phone even if it kills you.

    You didn't lie. You didn't admit guilt. You just told the operator there was a shooting and you are a possible witness. You never admitted to being in a shooting. Call your lawyer if you have one for this type of situation. Hand the officer the phone and tell him, "this is my lawyer and all questions will need to go through him." Either way you are going to jail but you will be protected by your lawyer. Then you can calm down and make sure you say the "RIGHT" things and not something that will land you in prison for defending yourself.

    If you don't have a lawyer, first off get one, second then just tell them "I called 911 and I am requesting a lawyer. Here's my CHL and I have a concealed gun on my right hip." Never admitted to anything but now they know you have the right to carry and that will help out a lot.

    It ain't perfect but it will work.
     
  5. DoyleTheDog

    DoyleTheDog New Member

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    When it comes to a self defense shooting why would you try to deny the fact that you had to stop the threat with your firearm? That would just make officers more on guard at the scene or give them reason to believe you're not being fully honest. You don't have to give EVERY single detail, but it would be pretty obvious that you shot the BG at that point anyways.

    I still think Canebrake's post about concealed carrying is some of the best advice I've read.
     
  6. JonM

    JonM Moderator

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    Dont be all paranoid unless you are in some place like chitcago or newyork where its illegal to not let a gangbanger kill you.

    Hiding the truth is what will hurt you or being evasive will hurt you. The investigation will get to the truth with you or without you. If it was true self defense the truth will set you free.
     
  7. rifleman1

    rifleman1 New Member

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    when and if a self defense shooting happens your emotions and adranaline will be running so high and fast you may forget all the scripts and preperations anyway,just remember to tell the truth and be ready for a long and unpleasent investigation that will set you free if it is deemed self defense,also remember there will be a cival trial more than likely brought on by the family this worries me more than the cops.
     
  8. DoyleTheDog

    DoyleTheDog New Member

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    If you're found innocent and it was deemed self defense by a judge and jury then a civil suit by the family most likely wouldn't go any where.
     
  9. John_Deer

    John_Deer New Member

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    The best thing to say is I am not ready to take any questions right now. I don't feel so well. I need an ambulance. The police can not legally question you until you receive medical treatment. Going to the hospital buys you time to contact an attorney and get your act together. Other than preserving and pointing out evidence that proves you were attacked, say nothing.
     
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  10. msup752

    msup752 New Member

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    If you hang up on 911 after reporting a shooting, you will get a call back if the 911 center is any good.
    They want all the info they can get when sending their responders into a dangerous situation.
    Not all 911 centers are the same though.
     
  11. JonM

    JonM Moderator

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    In wisconsin if a shooting is determined to be self defense civil action cannot be taken against the person defending themselves or others. Nothing stopping the victim from suing the criminal or his family however....
     
  12. winds-of-change

    winds-of-change The Balota's Staff Member

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    This sticky is an excellent read and opened my eyes to many ideas I never even considered.

    In my opinion, if you conceal carry you should already know a gun law savvy lawyer. You don't want to begin looking for one when you need one immediately.
     
  13. JonM

    JonM Moderator

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    This is great advice. I keep the lawyer that did my nfa trust in my cell phone. If he cant help he can refer me to someone who can. The nra is also a good source for picking an attourney in your area.
     
  14. Tackleberry1

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    TBear, CHLChris, and Cains sticky are words to live by because:

    Adrenaline and fear WILL make you say something stupid.
    Everything you say will be recorded or written down...and played back many months later...in a climate controlled room...To a bored Jury.

    Comments that made perfect sence in the heat of the moment WILL SOUND CRAZY to the bored and comfortable jurors!

    It is NOT your job to prove your innocence...it's their job to prove your guilt and talking only HELPS them do it.

    You are not qualified to prove anything...your attorney is qualified to MAKE them proove your guilt. ;)

    Surviving a deadly encounter IS something we all can and should train for. Surviving "the system" after the fact is NOT. Leave ^^THIS^^ to a professional.

    All of this advice becomes much easier to accept when you recognize that NO ONE is going to pat you on the back and send you home after you've taken a human life...just aint gonna happen partner!

    You will loose your gun and you will be arrested...whether or not you permanently loose your freedom depends greatly on how much you run your mouth trying to prevent being arrested.

    It will happen so accept it, keep your mouth shut, and let your lawyer fight the next battle...you've already done all you could before the first cop arrived on scene.

    Tack
     
  15. chloeshooter

    chloeshooter New Member

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    Heck, if the cops gave me any guff, I'd just tell them "it was the gun, not me, that shot the man". That argument would satisfy a great many in this country from what I can tell ;)
     
  16. rifleman1

    rifleman1 New Member

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    i wish they would implement that rule in all states but here in california you can be sued for anything.the only thing you could do is counter sue and hope to break even.
     
  17. fa35jsf

    fa35jsf New Member

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    I just took my CHL class two weeks ago. Here is what my instructor told us:
    1) immediately call 911 and immediately request an ambulance. It shows that you are still trying to save the life of the bad guy.
    2) give your name and address. Don't say that you shot somebody just say that someone broke into your house or whatever and there has been a shooting.
    3) GET OFF THE PHONE WITH 911 ASAP. Our instructor said to say whatever you can to get off the phone because 911 records every word you say and it can be used against you in court.

    Next, you should call your lawyer. I don't know where some of y'all live but ere in Texas there is a program that every gun owner should sign up for IMO. It's called texaslawshield.com an it is a group of lawyers that will come to the crime scene and protect you all through the legal process. Best of all you will not pay them any lawyer fees or costs. That's because you pay an annual membership fee to be a client. It's like buying homeowners issuance in that you pay them wether you need to file a claim or not, the good news is that they don't have any deductibles.

    The whole program is not that expensive considering that our instructor told us that any shooting incident here in Texas has to go to a grand jury regardless of wether you broke any laws or not. Then the grand jury decides to let you go or send you to court. The cost to get to the grand jury in regular lawyer fees is $10,000 plus. This organization doesn't charge you a thing even through court and any civil suits.

    As my instructor said, a shooting can be a very expensive situation that could cost you everything you have worked for in life, even if you are completely innocent. That's just the way our judicial system is. That guy who shot the two guys robbing his neighbors house with his shotgun a few years back in Houston, you know the guy who stayed on the phone with 911 and said he was going to shoot them, his court costs totaled $450,000 before it was all said and done. Oh and by the way, what we saw of that on the news was NOT what happened. But that's for another post if anyone actually wants to here the facts on that story
     
  18. orangello

    orangello New Member

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    Wait, so we couldn't keep a trophy, maybe an ear? Dern [kicks dirt]
     
  19. BeyondTheBox

    BeyondTheBox New Member

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    Here's my take, take it or leave it, agree or dis-.

    Just like in everything, I approach each situation individually and as it comes. I prepare for nothing in any specific way, all I do is try to be the best human being I can and/or allow myself to be. If this finds me legally liable for something then so be it. I will not set myself or anyone else up for failure by assuming. I believe in truth and honesty as sole righteousness and I want to believe a jury will to, if it should come to that. I know that's naive, but I don't consider naivety such a bad thing.