How Do I Find Out For Sure If Ammo Types Are Legal

Discussion in 'Legal and Activism' started by ryevick, Jan 22, 2013.

  1. ryevick

    ryevick Member

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    I am wanting to find out if particular ammo types are legal. Is there a way to do this? I had ammo recommendations made to me by several policemen from other states than mine and just need to find out. Some of the ammo is labeled as LE (Law Enforcement), such as the Winchester Ranger LE but you can buy it online and I was told that is not a restriction just the name. Thanks.
     
  2. indy36

    indy36 New Member

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    I'm in Indiana and I can't think of any ammo I'm not allowed to have.
     

  3. John_Deer

    John_Deer New Member

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    Winchester Ranger ammo is legal everywhere that I have been.
     
  4. vincent

    vincent New Member

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    If you can walk into a store and buy it, it's legal...

    If you can buy it online from a legal dealer, it's legal...

    If you buy it out of some guy's trunk in an alley...meh...that's on you...

    I am not a lawyer...

    Always know your states' laws...:cool:
     
  5. fa35jsf

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    I bought several boxes of the Winchester Ranger T ammo that says Law Enforcement on it.I was concerned too and after I did a bunch of reading this is the conclusion I have come to.

    Winchester Ranger ammo is essentially the same thing as Winchester PB1 which can be found in many sporting/outdoors stores. However, the PB1 will have a much higher pricetag. Probably around twice as much.

    Both the Ranger T and the PB1 bullets were built/designed off of the old Winchester Black Talon bullets that were voluntarily pulled from the market back in the 90's due to publicity reasons. From what I have read, the Black Talons were a revolutionary new hollow point that did extraordinary damage to tissue compared to what was on the market at the time, and this did not win very many points with surgeons. In the past decade or so, most hollow points have used technology similar to those Black Talon and therefore the lethality of most have increased, IMO.

    So down to the question at hand. Is it legal to buy and use the Winchester Ranger T (Law Enforcement) bullets? In everything I have read, yes. From my understanding, Winchester company will only sell those bullets directly to law enforcement as a matter of policy though. So when you are buying them online, you are buying from someone that is either a LEO or has connections to one.


    (I am not a Lawyer and nothing in the above post should be construed as legal advice. Please consult a lawyer regarding any legal advice)
     
  6. ryevick

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    Oh believe me there are illegal rounds that have been banned in every state... it's basically because they are designed to do so much damage... i can't remember the name of the round i'm thinking of right now... something zer? the round basically mushroomed out with teeth on the outer edge when it expanded designed to saw and cut... there are definitely illegal rounds...
     
  7. ryevick

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    this may be the round i was thinking of but i'm not sure... they banned talons i thought... not a voluntary thing...
     
  8. hmh

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    Isn't the point if a self defense round to cause so much damage that the threat stops with as few rounds as possible. The problem that comes into play are the so called "armor piercing" rounds that make a pistol cartridge able to penetrate a bullet resistant vest. If I could get my hands on some of the rounds that the "News" media uses I would. Who doesn't want a round that will hit cinder blocks so hard that it makes them seem like they were packed with explosives.
     
  9. beastmode986

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    I know Illinois does not allow certain speciality rounds but I'm pretty sure hollow points are legal in every state, I could be wrong though.
     
  10. hmh

    hmh New Member

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    I do not think they are legal in Jersey but I do not know for sure.
     
  11. fa35jsf

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    Yeah. Black talon along with the others I mentioned, Ranger T and PB1's, all expand to expose 6 razor sharp points that can cut you just messing around with them. From what I read Winchester pulled them after A LOT of media outcry.

    As for some states not allowing the carry of hollow point bullets, I only have one question. Why the heck would they do that? Isn't the point of hollow points to stop the threat like others have said and also prevent over penetration.
     
  12. c3shooter

    c3shooter Administrator Staff Member

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    New Jersey does not permit you to CARRY hollow point ammo (matter of fact, they don't let you CARRY much of anything) if you are not an LEO.

    Black Talons were not banned. The company withdrew the name. Their SXT round is the same thing without the black coating.

    HANDGUN ammo that is illegal to SELL is ammo designed to penetrate body armor. That included KTW ammo, French Arcanes, etc. The fact that a box is marked LE Only means nothing.

    You are in Georgia. Only armor piercing HANDGUN ammo cannot be sold there. Walk into LGS, look at what they have for sale. It is legal there.
     
  13. locutus

    locutus Well-Known Member Supporter

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    The ban on AP handgun ammo is federal, not state.

    Wyoming has no laws on ammo of any kind.

    The ONLY "illegal" ammo in most states is that AP which is federally banned.

    "LE only" ammo is factory policy, Not law.

    This ammo is +P+ (High pressure) so the factory tries to keep it in LE hands. LEOs use modern handguns. They don't want some ignorant duphus shooting it in his WW1 Glisenti
     
  14. ryevick

    ryevick Member

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    it's actually available in non + ... that's what i was looking for but not everyone sells all "formats" of it...
     
  15. Vikingdad

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    Back when the Black Talons were readily available the media called them "cop killer" bullets as they somehow got the (incorrect) idea that the black coating was Teflon and would allow the bullets to slip right through Police body armor like sh!t through a goose.

    I think Black Talons were actually banned in CA.
     
  16. locutus

    locutus Well-Known Member Supporter

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    yep!!:p

    So Winchester stopped using the black coating and sold that same Ammo with a shiny gold look as Ranger "T" and it made the doophus lib-turds happy!!:D:D:D

    I love it!:p
     
  17. robocop10mm

    robocop10mm Lifetime Supporting Member Lifetime Supporter

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    WRONG, WRONG, WRONG!!!!!! Don't believe the BS spouted by some imbecile at your local gun store. Black Talons were not, are not and have never been illegal (outside of Communist New Jersey).

    The dumb azzes in the news media made such a stink about the BT's that Winchester redesigned (with out the black coating), repackaged and continued to sell the EXACT same ammo.

    LE marked ammo is legal to own/carry (outside of New Jersey). It is mostly a marketing ploy.