How did you find and why you joined FirearmsTalk

Discussion in 'The Club House' started by Tony Soprano, Aug 26, 2007.

  1. Tony Soprano

    Tony Soprano New Member

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    I myself just joined in early August,I was a huge forum user on packing.org for the last several years,then in the last year I think a bunch of anti-gunners joined and was causing problems,I was recieveing anti-gun spam in my e-mails and threats in my messages,it was at one time the best carry/conceal site out there and the best gun forum too.In July when I noticed Packing.org was gone and done away with,I started researching for Gun Forums on the web,and believe me there are hundreds of them out here.I started watching around 5 sites and joined this one thinking it has alot to offer in knowledge and the people and moderators do a good job,let's just hope the anti-gunners don't crash this forum in the next year or two.VOTE GOP IN '08!
     
  2. 1984cj

    1984cj New Member

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    I have 4 main hobbies.
    Home brew
    Medieval re enacting
    Jeeps
    Firearms.

    The guy that runs this site also runs a JEEP forum site (www.Jeepforum.com).
    One of the Mods here is a member there and the Jeep site advertises this forum some in the banners.
    I like this site as it is relatively new and has some interesting people with more to come. This site also seems not to tolerate the posers that want to play internet badass/ knoweverything.
    BTW- www.thehighroad.org is also a pretty good site. Especially for reloading info.
     

  3. Pounce

    Pounce New Member

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    True.And lets hope it stays that way!
     
  4. Quasi

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    I found it from the banner ad on JeepForum.com.

    I inherited some guns from my father, who was a collector. Don't really know much about them and thought this looked like an interesting place to try to learn more.

    I do have to say that, as someone who is pro-guns, yet very unhappy with the current administration, I find all of the liberal bashing, pro-GOP-no-matter-what stuff, a little distasteful. If this is really a firearms site, and not a politics site, you'll probably have broader appeal by cutting down on the political rhetoric, or at the very least restricting it to gun control type issues. Believe it or not, there are a lot of moderates, libertarians, and possibly even "liberals" on many issues, who are gun enthusiasts.
     
  5. cnorman18

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    I really don't remember how I found this site; probably from a banner somewhere.

    I joined because I'm getting back into shooting after some years in the unarmed wilderness. (Don't ask why--long story, and I'm too long-winded as it is.)

    As the author of a good many of the "all-GOP, all the time" posts, I don't intend to apologize or back off. There is, rather obviously, NO issue more vital to gun owners than "gun control", and there is NO issue on which there is a clearer difference between the two major parties.

    On every other issue, you will find politicians on both sides of the aisle on both sides of the issue--but not on this. True, there are a few Republicans who are soft on gun rights--Guiliani, for one--but even they know where the base is and that they'd better not cross it. But is there such a thing as a genuinely pro-gun Democrat? Don't think so. The Dems would do to him what they did to Joe Lieberman, only 10x faster.

    I'm sure there are liberals who support gun rights. I'm canted to the left on some issues myself--but those take a back seat to the Second Amendment in my personal list of priorities. On this forum, I won't bring up the issues where I'm liberal; not the time nor the place. But I do think it appropriate to point out, as often and as loudly as possible, that if a person really believes in the importance of the RKBA, there is no real choice on which party to support. A Democrat who favors gun ownership needs to rethink his position, or at least be aware that he is abandoning support of the 2nd Amendment in favor of whatever other issue is of greater import to him.

    Show me a major Democratic candidate who is unequivocally pro-gun, and I'll drop it. Failing that, I see no need for a gunner to apologize for vocally supporting the Republicans.
     
  6. BLS33

    BLS33 New Member Supporter

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    We do our best to keep political rhetoric out of the technical areas, that's why we have a Legal & Politics section as well as the other GD sections. Really though it comes with the territory and we certainly hope that you will defend issues and debate issues important to you.

    This is a pretty new forum and it is active members like you guys that help it grow. As content and membership gorws so will this site :D
     
  7. aussierogue

    aussierogue New Member

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    I think i found this site after doing a web search. As I'm new to the USA I'm from Australia and the way the A**holes of the anti-gun lobby have screwed the gun laws there OK I'll stop ranting :D I married an American girl so I moved here to be with her. I'm getting back into shooting slowly as I've only started working here so need the money to go to the range OK thats enough about me talk to you all later


    John
     
  8. bkt

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    I deeply respect the constitution and I would like to see our federal government return to its designated size and scope, and I would like to see state governments (try to) pick up the slack.

    That's why the pro-GOP stuff bugs me. There is precious little difference between Rudy and Hillary when it comes to the issue of gun control.

    For what it's worth, there are folks here who are not die-hard Republicans.
     
  9. Quasi

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    I agree with you, bkt, and I feel that we've lost far more in individual constitutional liberties under the current administration than in many prior (Patriot Act, habeus corpus, warrantless wiretapping, etc).

    As a gun owner and a free thinker, I strongly disagree with the prior poster's assertion that "NO issue more vital to gun owners than gun control." It's an issue that I consider and weigh along with other issues. You're saying that if a candidate vows to repeal all gun laws, but for example supports mandatory puppy-eating, that he's your guy? I guess things aren't quite so black-and-white for me.

    A more reasonable example would be, if a candidate says he supports gun ownership, but at the expense of the rights to privacy and due process, or you can buy all the guns you want, but only from Haliburton, or you can no longer afford your hobby because your job has been outsourced to China, none of these are good trades to me.

    Finally, I don't agree that there are NO pro-gun Dems. Here's a link to the NRA's own ratings:

    http://votesmart.org/issue_rating_detail.php?sig_id=003284M

    You'll see that there are Republicans with an F rating and Democrats with an A+ rating. You might also check out some sites like BlueSteelDemocrats, Guntotingliberal.com, a2dems.net, etc.

    Best,
    Quasi
     
  10. cnorman18

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    Thanks for the information

    Thanks for the information; I take it to heart, and I stand corrected. I did not know that there was so much pro-gun activity on the Left or in the Democratic party. (I can be forgiven, I think, for wishing that they had more influence, though.) I will henceforth drop the stereotypes.

    For the record, though, I disagree with your contentions about the loss of civil liberties under this administration. "Warrantless wiretapping," for instance, applies ONLY to calls to or from numbers in foreign nations KNOWN to be connected to terrorist organizations; that's exactly the kind of thing the administration was pilloried for NOT doing before 9-11. And if you think the provisions of the Patriot Act have been widely abused, you watch "Law and Order" too much. Much fiction has been written in this area, but very little in the way of fact.

    Like it or not, we're at war. And I don't only mean the war in Iraq; we are at war with radical Islamic Jihadists, and that war will continue (and in my opinion, intensify) if we pull out of Iraq tomorrow. This war came to us; we did not seek it, but we have no choice in whether or not to fight it. The stated goal of the enemy is the total destruction of Western culture, the forced conversion of everyone on Earth to fundamentalist Islam, and the imposition of an absolutist theocracy and medieval Sharia law. What happens to our civil liberties then?

    Now we are in the same position the Israelis have been in for generations: "If the Arabs put down their weapons, there will be no war; if the Israelis put down their weapons, there will be no Israel."

    Welcome to the middle east. We're all Israelis now.
     
  11. bkt

    bkt New Member

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    A significant sticking point in another forum I participate on is the definition of "right-wing", "leftist", "liberal" and "conservative".

    In this country -- in stark contrast to much of the rest of the world -- a conservative is someone who wants a return to the values of the constitution. A liberal is someone who wants even *more* freedom than what the constitution spells out.

    A leftist, on the other hand, wants to force me to pay for all sorts of benefits I may not want (and which I may not opt out of), wants to force me to lay off certain drugs and foods, wants to force me to wear certain apparel (helmets, jackets) when engaging in certain activities, wants to prevent me from engaging in certain activities in public or around minors, etc.

    A right-winger may want to have laws drafted which support their particular beliefs. For example, an amendment banning "gay marriage". Personally, I don't believe the government has any business messing with a religious sacrament before God. Civil unions? Fine. Marriage? No, that's an issue for a church or synagogue to tend to.
     
  12. bkt

    bkt New Member

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    This is important. The leftist media have ranted for some time about "abuses" in this regard, yet no one has actually been abused. It is prudent to monitor traffic along known channels frequented by bad guys, whether we're talking forums, web sites or telephone lines.

    Thank you. You're exactly right.

    One major issue many people have is separating two sets of rules of engagement: civilian and military. Civil law should apply most of the time, ideally. When at war and when the enemy is among us, military law may need to apply.

    That is a very chilling statement. Thankfully, I don't think you're right just yet. But we may not be far behind.
     
  13. Quasi

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    Hi bkt. I can see why there would be a sticking point about those definitions of conservative/liberal, since they have baked into them that one of them is essentially right (or legally justified anyway) and the other is not.

    I like this definition of liberalism from Wikipedia:

    "Liberalism refers to a broad array of related ideas and theories of government that consider individual liberty to be the most important political goal.

    Broadly speaking, liberalism emphasizes individual rights and equality of opportunity. Different forms of liberalism may propose very different policies, but they are generally united by their support for a number of principles, including extensive freedom of thought and speech, limitations on the power of governments, the rule of law, the free exchange of ideas, a market or mixed economy, and a transparent system of government. All liberals - as well as some adherents of other political ideologies - support the form of government known as liberal democracy, with open and fair elections, where all citizens have equal rights by law."
     
  14. bkt

    bkt New Member

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    I like the definition, too, but the term has been hijacked by neo-Marxist pigs in this country. See below.

    That's more of a textbook proper definition, but certainly not what we have come to expect from people in the U.S. who call themselves "liberal". Who wants to force me to pay for health care that I may not want? Who wants to force me to wear a seatbelt or helmet, prevent me from smoking and prevent me from ingesting certain foods? Who wants to squelch religious expression, including greetings and decorations? Who wants to take from me the money that I earn and the land I have improved to give to others who have less? Who favors higher taxes and bigger government? Who wants to create "weapons-free zones" to deny me my basic human right of self-protection?

    Liberals.

    Libertarianism might do that but liberalism certainly does not. Liberalism emphasizes dependence on the government and equal outcome regardless of opportunity. Hence the "dumbing down" of American education.

    Those who call themselves "liberals" in this country absolutely do not believe in freedom of thought and speech. A conservative on a college campus is often shunned and shouted down by liberals. Conservative speakers have been shouted off the stage and physically abused at many "free thinking, open minded" college campuses. Go ahead and express skepticism at anthropogenic global warming in a roomful of "liberals" and see how they react.

    Liberals routinely wish to increase the power and scope of government, not bring it back to its original size and scope. Liberals often deplore a free market and they're no more transparent in government than anyone else. In fact, the bulk of corruption charges you read about stem from Democrats who claim to be "liberal".

    Don't get me started on elections and voting and "liberals". To maintain their base, they need more and more people dependent on them. Hence their desire to permit felons to vote, illegal aliens and, of course, people who have been dead for some time. "Vote Early, Vote Often" is not just a silly joke with these clowns.
     
  15. lpabsolute

    lpabsolute New Member

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    Found out about the site from the JeepForum
     
  16. Tony Soprano

    Tony Soprano New Member

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    Thanks for staying on topic