How can someone be anti-guns?

Discussion in 'The Club House' started by notdku, Jun 14, 2007.

  1. notdku

    notdku Administrator Staff Member

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    Do they just not read history books?

    I live in a fairly liberal town, college town, so the younger people tend to lean very hard to the Left.

    I was at a party recently and got into two firearm conversations. The first was a guy proclaiming handguns should be banned. So I asked why. He stated that handguns only kill people. I asked about carrying to defend yourself. His response, get this, was that handguns aren't powerful enough to actually kill people because home intruders are usually big people so they serve no purpose. I didn't laugh, I just asked well if that's true then why do the only kill people? He didn't know how to respond. I gave up at the point, if he believed that then there is no discussion to be had.

    Second conversation was about assault rifles, a guy proclaimed they should be banned, I asked about a citizens right to own high power rifles in case of Government tyranny. He stated that if the Government choose to take over we would all be screwed and having a gun would not matter. I couldn't believe these people, they say this stuff with a straight face. Absolutely clueless it's scary.
     
  2. bkt

    bkt New Member

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    Many of them do not. They are grossly ignorant of the ordeals the founding fathers and men of their time went through to secure our liberty. They have no idea that many of the framers and founders believed a revolution was inevitable every generation or two. (As it is, we haven't had a federal political body that gave any thought to serving the people since J.Q. Adams.)

    Ignorance and bullsh*t are the primary ingredients for gun-control laws. Every gun-control advocate I've spoken to gets hysterically emotional and can't refute logical argument or cite facts.

    Screw 'em.
     

  3. ScottG

    ScottG New Member

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    You did say you were in a college town. The most highly educated people are generally very ignorant. Also remember many of these people believe themselves to be the elite of society. The elite have always bought protection for themselves, you as a non-elite, do not deserve to defend yourself. You are only there to serve their whims. They say, you obey. You see their hypocrisy in global warming and green activities.

    Guns are dangerous things to them because it allows the unwashed, ignorant mass of people to be their equals by force when needed. The elite fear for their heads. If society at large is disarmed, no one can force them to the gallows or the guillotine. They don't have the numbers to resist a popular uprising, therefore they must maintain a monopoly on force. A gun in every house makes their survival difficult if trouble happens.
     
  4. allmons

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    They are anti gun mostly due to indoctrination by liberals

    scottg is absolutely right - they want to control the "inferior masses" by having the only force available. We've seen it before - the British at Bunker Hill, Hitler in Europe, Stalin in Russia and Castro in Cuba. They ruled by the mandate of murderous force.

    Why fear an armed populace? One of the greatest examples of this was in the Warsaw Ghetto when a few Jews and Poles killed German soldiers and got a few firearms. Unable to control the people, the Germans were finally forced to bring in tanks and destroy much of the ghetto - all because of a few rag tag patriots with firearms. I can't help but believe that if ALL Jews were armed and FOUGHT, Hitler could never have begun his "final solution".

    But, of course, he passed gun control laws BEFORE he rounded up the "undesirable races". Don't doubt for a minute that a Harry Reid or Nancy Pelosi wouldn't put you and your family in the dirt if they could get away with it. IT IS THEIR GOAL.
     
  5. westernamerican

    westernamerican New Member

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    At the current rate of violence we are seeing, EVERYONE will need a weapon of some kind just to survive! :D
     
  6. BrassMonkey

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    How can somebody be anti-gun? Honestly I cannot say for sure because I am pro-gun. I would imagine that most (not all) antis are flaming liberals, and think that the state should provide everything including their own personal security. With that type of thinking then it would seem rational to conclude that a anti would think that the only reason a private citizen would own a gun is to commit violence against honest citizens.

    Flawed logic...........you bet it is. Thinking that the only reason a person would choose to own guns is to commit random violence is as illogical as thinking the only reason one would want to own a penis is to commit rape. Its sad that the examples you listed are among the college educated this country has to offer. The real problem began when proffesors stopped teaching their students how to think, and started teaching their students what to think.
     
  7. bkt

    bkt New Member

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    Exactly right. For more insight into this, check out David Horowitz' book The Professors: 101 Most Dangerous Academics in America.

    I just watched In Search of the Second Amendment by David Hardy. It is the most comprehensive work I have ever seen bringing together the history, argument and laws around an individuals duty and rights to arm him or herself. This is highly-recommended viewing (DVD, about 110 minutes).

    It would be interesting to have an anti-gun nut watch it and refute the right to own weapons.
     
  8. RONSERESURPLUS

    RONSERESURPLUS New Member

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    How can someone be ANTI-GUN?

    Hello All


    RON L here = SERESURPLUS


    How can someone be anti-gun? Coming froma long line family of Canadian's, it's not all that tough? Some have had a Loss in the family, that made them hate guns, others really feel that guns are the problem, not human behavior? Soime have a Leftist agenda, that makes guns a danger to future plans, who really knows why? In short, it's not rational thinking and manly it's based on emotion , not logic? I've Lived with folks all my life that hated guns, mostly were liberal, didn't have a clue about a lot ij life? Yes, some were college educated, some were dumb as rocks? LOL In short, no RATIONAL PERSON FEARS AN OBJECT? WE need to fear folks that think like that, school them on reality, but not many will learn?
     
  9. JoeLee

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    They are attacking the wrong problem.Philadelphia Pennsylvania had 195 gun related murders,so far this year as of last night.Certain segments of our population are seriously out of control in some Cities and Towns.But we cant strip that segment of the population of gun Rights without taking guns from all of us.
     
  10. deerhuntguy

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    They do not have a brain in their head and think the police will be there to protect them (and think the police are required to protect them - which they are NOT, according to the U.S. Supreme Court, which ruled that the Police are required to protect the general public - NOT the individual unless that individual was specifically told they would be protected) should something happen?
     
  11. bkt

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    In that case, I would expect they would be just as much against private citizens owning fire extinguishers and first-aid kits. After all, don't we have firefighters and doctors?
     
  12. robocop10mm

    robocop10mm Lifetime Supporting Member Lifetime Supporter

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    Anti gun

    Many are Hopolophobes. People who fear weapons. These are the spineless Sheeple who on one hand hate the police and on the other hand want the police to protect THEM.

    If an officer has to get physical with an individual, they scream police brutality. If they are victimized they want the police to draw and quarter the perp.

    The only difference between a Liberal and a Conservative is the Liberal has not been a victim of violent crime, yet.
     
  13. SheGUN

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    Awesome answer!!! Hysterically funny, but unfortunately true.......

    It reminds of me of the picture I saw of a notice board in someones yard that read: "My neighbor wants to ban all guns. Their house is not armed. To respect their opinion, I promise not to use my guns to defend their property, or help them in any way."
     
  14. SabreArms

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    Man I hate this topic. I absolutely agree with everything said thus far and I have no real answer. It just seems that the same people who are trying to take away our rights are the same people that generally believe that they are right about EVERYTHING and if they disagree with something they will be sure to do everything they can to change it for everyone. Unfortunately in my mind that just turns them into an aggressor. Doesnt that just flip the board around?

    Without the antigun lobbyists the pro gun people would not be doing anything except what we do anyways. But the anti gun people have thrown the first stone essentially starting a "war" with the pro gun people. So the anti gun (typically synonimous with anti war) have essentially started a war (albeit on paper) with regular citizens enjoying their constitutional rights. And when all is said and done there will still be guns, just illegal ones owned by people who do not care about the laws anyways.

    Just gets me flustured sorry.
     
  15. moviezombie

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    i'm probably going to regret this, but forget the sterotype: i'm a liberal with guns and fully support the 2nd Amendment. my dad was a liberal and gave me my first gun at age 8. i know other liberals that also own and carry. and while i find many liberals don't understand me, it would be a mistake for non-liberal gun owners to assume that i share their political beliefs on other issues. for me it is not a liberal v. non-liberal issue: it is a Constitutional right just like free speech and voting [remember when habeas corpus was also a Constitutional right?!]. use it or lose it, is my opinion, re speech, guns, etc. and, yes, i would use a gun to protect myself.

    just because i've stood up to the plate and been honest, please don't use it as an excuse to bash me for being a liberal. remember: i'm there with you on this issue. actually, i also find it hard to understand why anyone would be ant-gun. thanks,

    movie zombie

    ps i also know many non-liberals that are anti-gun: yes, i confound them as they totally expect me to side with them on the issue. imagine their surprise [and confusion] when i, a liberal, speak forcefully re the right to bear arms!
     
  16. bkt

    bkt New Member

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    The terms liberal, conservative, leftist and right-wing, democrat and republican have become so muddled they tend to mean different things to different people.

    Personally, I'm a huge fan of small government, waaaaay fewer laws, personal responsibility, ruggedness, integrity and honor. Live and let live. Social programs are nothing more than redistribution-of-wealth programs. And once you give the government authority to take from those who have earned to give to others, property and wealth become the de facto property of the government, not the individual. There's my $0.02.

    Does that make me a conservative? Libertarian?
     
  17. BLS33

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    Many liberals feel a bit uneasy speaking on such issues because conservatives love to use "liberal" as a buzz word. I mean people like Bill O'reilly and Ann Coulter have made a career on doing nothing but bashing liberals, a lot of times for no good reason. It is true that a liberal ideology is more in line with an anti-gun agenda but that doesn't mean all liberals are anti-gun. It is also true that generally the more educated are more anti-gun. The reason for this is the more educated have generally always been rich. I spend and have spent a lot of money on my education but I didn't grow up rich and I grew up knowing and loving guns. Many wealthy people feel more entitled to their opinions and aren't worried because they think the police will protect them. It is evident that the constitution means little to most politicians and it is also evident that very few people are capable of forming their own informed decisions. Most uninformed peoples views on guns are nothing more than regurgitated propaganda being spread by the anti-gun groups.
     
  18. SabreArms

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    Personnally I could care less if someone is liberal or conservative, republican or democrat, could care less about a persons religion or the race. What I do care about is how they are and act regarding others and that they don't expect me to follow their views just because they believe they are good. I will take someone who trys their best over someone who is an expert and does it half ***.

    You can label yourself a liberal if you wish but isn't that just conforming to what other people expect you to be even if you do not believe everything liberals do??

    Glad to see you on our side anyways though.
     
  19. moviezombie

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    "You can label yourself a liberal if you wish but isn't that just conforming to what other people expect you to be even if you do not believe everything liberals do??"

    don't know how it is conforming to admit my political beliefs are to the left of center. certainly not conforming in this group..... :)

    as a liberal friend said to me: ''everyone of us has an issue over which we part company with the liberal position and for you its guns.....for me its crime.'' and after listening to his opinion, he certainly does part company on that particular issue.

    yes, my political beliefs i term as liberal, but i'm not a lemming.....there are far to many of those already of every political persuasion.

    movie zombie
     
  20. SabreArms

    SabreArms New Member

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    I never really paid attention to either "group" so I don't really know where I fall. I just know what I believe makes the most common sense in my mind.:)