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Why would you want your school to be teaching your children firearms safety?

The school should teach your children Reading, Writing, Arithmetic, History and Civics.

Any kind of life skills that's my job as a parent to teach my kids not the State

I don't want the school teaching my kids health and sex ed. I don't want the school teaching my kids how to shoot because you know whichever teacher teaches it's going to put their own politics in it.
 

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I have to agree with you! At best I can see the liberal teachers brain washing to kids to how terribly bad they are and with terrible examples. The educational system at schools and college have been busy indoctrinating our kids anyway.
And yes, they need to go back to teaching reading, writing, arithmetic, history geography, spelling, phonics, civics and the Constitution of the United States. A good example is my wife who is a wonderful person an I love her a bunch. But she never had Phonics and has a H*** of a time pronouncing certain words that she is not familiar with. And asks about history quite often to understand things. So obviously she had very little history in schoo. Being 8 years older than her I had it all in school. We were not having all this woke crap that is being taught that has b=nothing to do with an education! We had all of the topics listed above throughout school And I went to college for sales and marketing and no Woke BS ever even mentioned there.
I keep thinking of a good example of lack of education. In an on the street interview the interviewer asked one person who was the USA's first President? After the person thought for a minute, they advised yes it was Abraham Lincoln! "Wasn't It"?
Then a couple of years ago one interviewer asked a college kid, Matin Luther King is running for Governor this year, do you think he would make a good Governor? The kid responded absolutely! I though OMG he has been dead for years! :rolleyes:
And it is proven fact our students are certainly not in the top rating for education in the World. And even one state compared to another US State are not educating the students properly. So, I agree thoroughly with Trunk Monkey.

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You mean phonics, Notrighty. Same thing. My wife can't read well because she wasn't taught phonics in school. Might as well teach kids how to masturbate because I doubt if they will ever figure it out on their own anymore. I like the pass / fail system. Fail means an F.
 

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Where do you draw the line between what the school (AKA The State) should teach your kids and what they shouldn't?

If I had school age children today they would not be in a public school
 

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Yes, I meant Phonics. Spellchecker picked up on it being spelled wrong and put in as Phoenix both times, I have corrected them on my Post. I know one thing that is, I hope some schools are still teaching *Phonics it as well as keeping Cursive Writing!

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I think I'd rather my child be taught about the bill of rights including 2A as far as school courses are concerned.

I guess you could include it in maybe a health class like we used to learn about drugs.

It really just depends on the age. I'd rather teach a specific age group to not touch a firearm and to tell an adult. The rest I'd leave up to the parent. I'd teach my kids the dangers of electricity and not to stick things in a socket, but I might not teach them how to change an outlet themselves until maybe they ask me.

I've already offered my oldest to go shooting with me but he isn't showing much interest so I don't press it. I was able to give the basic safety lessons to him when we shot an airsoft in the basement but that's about it. His interest in guns is nothing like mine were at his age. Of course, my stint in the marines only enhanced it
 

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To me it is up to the parents and family to teach gun safety. And as said if they allow it to be done in schools, I assure you for the most part it will not be a positive curriculum. And taken advantage of by some liberal woke teacher. IMO simply more indoctrination. Of course me I would like to see trap and skeet, rifle and archery Teams in High Schools like other sports. Or chances for protecting our Second Amendment would be whole lot safer when enjoying the sports.
One only has to think of what is going on with our Second Amendment. My closest neighbor was a college professor at Western Kentucky University. Joe is a conservative and very intelligent person. And likes guns and the Second Amendment. He use to come and tell me about all if his confrontations with the liberal staff and students when they shared his views. He fought the environment for years. And last year he retired. Said he could not stand for the BS anymore and their ignorance. I do not blame him! That would be like swimming in the midst of sharks in a swimming pool.
We have 4 children and 9 grandkids. 7 of them like to shoot on papaws range but they all are different. All of them have been taught gun safety but unlike me not a hunter among them. And my oldest son, middle son and my daughter like guns, own their own and like to shoot. The others on occasion when they come to visit.
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I, too, would prefer the parents arranging introduction to and safe handling of arms, self-defense and the like.

But, reality is, with the changing society far too many families simply are no longer in rural settings where it's a no-brainer to teach the kids how to function safely and effectively "on the farm." Once was, we all got introduced to horses, animals, wilderness survival, tools, keeping tools in good shape, operating machinery, weaponry, self-defense and whatnot. Today, not nearly so many are doing so.

Failing parenting, I'm all for schools reinstituting the education as part of K-12. (Well, perhaps 2-12.) Can be done safely. Can be done with focus, despite most of parents not having time, inclination and/or arms. Of course, it's one more thing at a time when budgets are challenged everywhere. Perhaps making it an occasional part of the "physical education" series of activities. Even done at an "occasional" frequency, it'd be a more-solid introduction than I ever had. It might be enough. Start them at age 7yrs or so, in school (~2nd Grade), then have a handful of session annually up through high school. Introduce safety, risks, the arms themselves, disassembly, cleaning, shooting skills, along with a simple non-partisan non-indoctrinal view of the current state of "arms in America" (RE the threats to the birthright we all hold). Perhaps we'd end up with a few generations of kids who become adults who don't mistakenly imagine "guns" are the devil.
 

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Why would you want your school to be teaching your children firearms safety?

The school should teach your children Reading, Writing, Arithmetic, History and Civics.

I don't want the school teaching my kids health and sex ed. I don't want the school teaching my kids how to shoot because you know whichever teacher teaches it's going to put their own politics in it.
It would be a safe bet "firearms safety" taught by today's teachers would lean toward "Guns bad! Don't touch! Report to the police!"
I have a relative that is a shining example. Retired elementary school teacher. Hates guns with every fiber of her being!
Won't even touch one!
Grew up in a farm family where guns hung on the wall! Go figure!

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It would be a safe bet "firearms safety" taught by today's teachers would lean toward "Guns bad! Don't touch! Report to the police!"
I have a relative that is a shining example. Retired elementary school teacher. Hates guns with every fiber of her being!
Won't even touch one!
Grew up in a farm family where guns hung on the wall! Go figure!

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She must have been polluted by being around liberal teachers. Are there any other kind?

When we went to school, the agenda was education and it was serious business. Do the work, pass the tests, and get promoted. It was merit based. You got a ribbon when you earned it. Kids are pampered by liberal, programmed "teachers" now. That's why home schooling has become so common. Glad my grand kids are home schooled. They're learning more, faster and without the liberal pollution. More parents are "firing" public school systems.

Good for them, in time, the public schools will only have the students with uneducated parents.
 

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Wonder when/if anyone is going to raise the flag on school taxation. If your kids are home schooled, why should you be taxed on something you don't use. It's really been an argument for many years. What about when your kids are done? Why do you have to keep paying taxes?

I worked in two of our local, rural school systems for several years. I can tell you first hand why they are taking school taxes from every home owner, the salaries of the teachers and the administrators. I hear a lot how teachers claim to be under paid, but that's a load of horse hockey. One of the school's is small, around 625-ish students total from K to 12. Two buildings, one for elementary and one for high school, that's it. The superintendent made over $110K a year. The "director of education" made close to 6 figures. All the psychologists and special needs types made high salaries too. The teachers in the elementary school, most were over $55K, some pushing $70K. Not bad for working 200 days a year. Sadly, the school was lacking in STEM, equipment, supplies, etc. Not surprising considering where all the money was going. Shortly after leaving that school to work at another, we got a 3.4% tax increase that went toward bumping up salaries. The school board is like a HOA, a bunch of nosy busy bodies with nothing better to do but fleece the system.
 

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My guess is that not one person reading this is growing up in the same world as kids in the 6-18 age group. Every farm I can recall had a 22 or 410 by the back door, which usually was the entry door. Outside the door was often a hoe or shovel. The shovel and hoe killed snakes, the shooters killed skunks in the yard, and coyotes at the hen house. They were not there for defense, but everyone in the house was handy with them, and no one would hesitate to grab the gun and go out to visit any perceived threat.

Most of my school years we lived in town. A double 12 with exposed hammers and Damascus barrels sat in the hall closet. On a high shelf was a partial box of shells, nobody needed a full box anyway. Every kid know not to touch that gun, but we did and safely because we had been taught to handle them safely. So, we would take them down and look at them, it is a thing kids do, look at cool stuff.

Kids today do not have guns in the closet of by the door at all times, but they still are curious. And every gun, your prized $4,000 1911 or your $150 high point is a matter of intense interest to them. And they will take them down and look at them. Some of them will show their friends and some will play with them. "You lookin at me punk", "go ahead punk, make my day". Som of us may have said those very words.

So, we have those striker fired plastic guns with no safety or mag safety or all such safeties disconnected and we leave the gun in the glovebox, or the nightstand, or where ever it fell out of our pocket. And some kill will pick it up, every did will pick it up if it stays there long enough. Every kid, don't let anybody tell you they will never...because we know that every did will. Kind of like virginity, it is pretty rare..


But the gun on the nightstand or lost on the cushions on the couch may not be snatched up by my kid, it may be picke up by the little jerk neighbor kid that came over to visit the kids, just came in for a minute. And then the little jerk shoots it and someone dies, maybe someone next door.

I recall when the NRA had guys go visit the schools once per year and give them a few hours of "don't touch, go get an adult" when you find a gun. So, my take is if they teach the Eddie Eagle class by the NRA guys or local law enforcement or anyone who is gun savvy I think it is worth the time.

As to teaching to shoot. There is an inherent safety lesson there. Every time live ammo is around, they will pound safety into the kids, so that is not a bad thing. And, I think we would be better as a society if our schools had rifle and shotgun and air gun classes. The more they pick up a gun, handle it and use it safely, the smarter they are when the hear the radical left propaganda. So, I would be for it.

One story. A relative by marriage married a young lawyer in England. Last year he came to visit. Nice kid, sharp in dress and witty as can be. We hit it off as lawyers, of course, and he learned I was retired military and law enforcement. He had a fascination with "guns". So, I took him out and let him shoot a dozen, including an AK and an AR. He was excited, said the most fun thing he did on his trip to America was to shoot the "awesome M4". Mine is not an M4, it is a plane vanilla DPMS carbine. That said, putting an assault rifle (yes) in the hands of of a person foreign to the concept of gun ownership is a big deal. He commented that they were awesome, but not dangerous. Education is a good thing. He come back again, we will shoot some more...He said he had never seen one ever, in England, except in movies. So, yea, let the schools have classes on 22s and air guns. I am OK with that. They are teaching your kids about sex too, and you either have some input or you don't.
 

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As to teaching to shoot. There is an inherent safety lesson there. Every time live ammo is around, they will pound safety into the kids, so that is not a bad thing. And, I think we would be better as a society if our schools had rifle and shotgun and air gun classes. The more they pick up a gun, handle it and use it safely, the smarter they are when the hear the radical left propaganda. So, I would be for it.
Plus, the fascination gets blunted the more frequently kids are shown it's merely another tool. After all, how fascinated do kids remain about screwdrivers, or the power drill? Once shown how they work and how to use them safely, the kids figure it's old hat and nothing to be fascinated about any longer. Might take longer with firearms, the lawnmower, and a few other cool tools, but it's not all that different. Take the amazement away, then it becomes just another piece of the household "furniture" or tool inventory, just another useful thing for a specific purpose.

Hard to imagine that we're better off keeping kids inside an ignorant echo chamber of leftist fears. Far better to instill in them knowledge based on fact, as the only sure blunt to ignorance. Far better to show them the practical occasional utility, instead of leaving them a lifetime fascination with the darned things as though they were some talisman or similar object of worship. The path of learning can't hardly be worse than what the idjets have created in society.
 

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I don't know what it's like in Germany today, but when I was there in the mid 80's to early 90's, the same thing with beer. It was common to see youngsters sitting in a restaurant with the family happily enjoying beer right along with mom and pop.
I understand both sides of most arguments, but I also understand what it's like to be a kid and young adult as I too was one once. You can preach all day, you make laws about ages, but a lot of kids are going to do it anyway. The ones that don't sometimes then "go crazy" the second they reach the legal age for whatever it is and way over do it.

I dunno, not sure there is a perfect answer one way or the other, but I do know that our system of varying age for different things doesn't make a lot of sense. I can join the military at 17 (which I did), but I can't drink until I'm 21, or buy a firearm until I'm 18, or in some places, can't buy pistol ammo until 21 (but I can train with and tote one around in war). Just doesn't make sense to me. We need one single age to define "adulthood" and be done with it. It's not some magic number, it's just an age we need to determine where a person can be considered an adult with some reasonable assurance they're mature enough to act like one. I mean, technically, we're biologically adults when we hit puberty, but emotionally and mentally that's not necessarily the case, although several hundred years ago, "kids" were marrying, having babies, and ruling countries in their teen years.

Medical science has determined that males don't "mature" until around the age of 25. I'd argue that today it's probably higher, if many even mature at all (but that's a whole other can of worms).
 

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I don't know what it's like in Germany today, but when I was there in the mid 80's to early 90's, the same thing with beer. It was common to see youngsters sitting in a restaurant with the family happily enjoying beer right along with mom and pop.
I understand both sides of most arguments, but I also understand what it's like to be a kid and young adult as I too was one once. You can preach all day, you make laws about ages, but a lot of kids are going to do it anyway. The ones that don't sometimes then "go crazy" the second they reach the legal age for whatever it is and way over do it.

I dunno, not sure there is a perfect answer one way or the other, but I do know that our system of varying age for different things doesn't make a lot of sense. I can join the military at 17 (which I did), but I can't drink until I'm 21, or buy a firearm until I'm 18, or in some places, can't buy pistol ammo until 21 (but I can train with and tote one around in war). Just doesn't make sense to me. We need one single age to define "adulthood" and be done with it. It's not some magic number, it's just an age we need to determine where a person can be considered an adult with some reasonable assurance they're mature enough to act like one. I mean, technically, we're biologically adults when we hit puberty, but emotionally and mentally that's not necessarily the case, although several hundred years ago, "kids" were marrying, having babies, and ruling countries in their teen years.

Medical science has determined that males don't "mature" until around the age of 25. I'd argue that today it's probably higher, if many even mature at all (but that's a whole other can of worms).
They are considering lowering the voting age to 16 in California, so that might work. Let them drink and drive and marry and carry all at the same age. Not really, because the risk is too high. We know that Maijuana does serious damage to developing brains until age 25 or so, but we let kids buy marijuana in many states at age 21. And we know that the risk of auto accidents drops dramatically about age 25. Actually, they play with those numbers, it is the boys that have most of the accidents, no reason to charge so much more for the younger girls, but they do. And in most states with carry permits or constitutional carry, anyone who has been military, guard or reserve can carry at age 18, I agree with that. But others 28-20 cannot.

And you are correct, all the young military troops can walk around with a gun open or concealed, but a beer insight gets them a ticket. And at 18, they can walk into any casino. And most places they cannot be a cop until they are 21. And the age of contract is 18 in all states. And consensual sex varies by state.

I recall a case in which a 19 year old boy was having sex with his 17 year old girlfriend and her parents want him charged with statutory rape, we declined that case.

I agree there should be on age but there is not. Maybe there should be competency tests for elected officials over a certain age, I dunno. Does not seem right.....

And that part about males not maturing until age 25....lol...we had a president that forced insurance companies to keep kids on the parents insurance until age 26, and how many kids, "kids" over age 21 still live at home with theri parents? Yep lots.
 
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