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Canebreak- you couldn't be more wrong about the penetration power of bird shot. The FBI suggests a minimum of #4 (I think) buckshot for adequate penetration to reach vital organs. I watched a video yesterday from an ER surgeon that showed a guys Xray from being shot at close range with bird shot and it didn't penetrate into the vitals (found the video on this forum actually) . Theboxotruth.com has a number of penetration tests that also suggest that bird shot is not an adequate man stopper.
A large muscular man with extra layers of clothes and or a person hyped up on uppers/drugs/adrenaline might just get mad and charge you if u shoot them with bird shot and 1 shot might be all that u have time for. The forums on shotgunworld.com also have plenty of data to back this up if you want to take a look over there. I'm not saying that bird shot can't kill a grown person, but its not likely to stop someone in their tracks when seconds count.
That was more than two years ago -- I'm sure Mr. Canebrake has read alot here making that clear since including the myth of the evil DA making much out of one's bullets/cartridges.
 

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Just an observation here but this thread is older than canebreak himself. The OP started it in '07 and it quickly died, someone found it and revived it 3 years later in 2010 when it again quickly died, and now it's 2012 and this thread (much like canbreak) just refuses to die. As to the OP's question 870 for life :D
 

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If you want the very best, get a Benelli M-2 or M-4.

and across a bedroom, high brass birdshot is just as effective as buckshot. I'[ve seen the results of both at autopsy.
 
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