Home made muzzle loader???

Discussion in 'Blackpowder & Musket' started by archangel2003, Jun 4, 2010.

  1. archangel2003

    archangel2003 New Member

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    I once saw an article in a magazine that showed a guy that used some schedule 40 pipe and made his own muzzle loader.:eek:

    Although the article was interesting, I don't know if I could make my self stand anywhere near one being shot!:rolleyes:

    Any thoughts on that?:D
     
  2. AK_ID

    AK_ID New Member

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    Schedule 40 sounds like a nice way to make a pipe bomb, not a firearm. Among other things in life, I've been a welder/fabricator and a blacksmith, and I've made a few barrels for my own use. Use ordinance steel or 416 stainless (and drill it slow and cold), or even wrap a barrel using wrought iron if you think your forge welds will hold, but not pipe. Better yet, buy the barrel and machine the other parts yourself -- I hear losing eyes and hands and arms isn't fun.
     

  3. archangel2003

    archangel2003 New Member

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    Perhaps it was schedule 80 pipe.

    Either way, I'll look for the magazine and article here and see if I can find an on line reference to it.

    I believe they were making a single barrel shot gun out of it.
     
  4. dunerunner

    dunerunner New Member

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    Why, when you can buy the kits and build something to be proud of?
     
  5. AK_ID

    AK_ID New Member

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    Whether 40 or 80, make certain it's not Chinese pipe. Yes, I guess I'd feel safe enough dropping maybe 12 grains down a 3/4" pipe and lighting it off, but I wouldn't consider it a practical firearm, nor would I want to repeat the process more than a very few times with the same piece of pipe.

    My greatest concern (besides the poor quaility of the metal) would be the fact that the entire length of the barrel wall is of the same thickness. Take a look at any standard single shot shotgun barrel -- there's far more beef, and for good reason, at the breech end, where the highest pressures develop upon ignition.
     
  6. ALSGUN

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    Not to steal this thread, but a while back I had an opportunity to play with a Philippine guerrilla shotgun, it is basically a large rough cut piece of wood with two pipes of some black steel don't know exactly but it looked like water pipe, anyway one pipe fits inside the other you take the smaller barrel and install a shot shell in it and just ram it back into the other and it works, scary but it did work. Any body know the specs on that things steel?
     
  7. AK_ID

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    ALSGUN, that sounds like one of the slamfire guns made for the Filipino resistance during the Second World War. My uneducated guess is that the steel isn't high quality. Those weapons were made to last just long enough to kill an enemy soldier so you could borrow his weapon. Interesting what folks will come up with in a pinch, isn't it?
     
  8. DrumJunkie

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    I've seen a few home brew weapons made. I wouldn't want to trust any piece of pipe. AS stated earlier there h ave been some slam fire shotty's made but those are never made to use more than maybe once. And that didn't always end well for the user.

    If you're wanting to make something like this there are better grades of steel to get. Ordinance steel can be had or at the least get something that you will put the bore in yourself (Also posted previously). I've seen some pretty nice hand made Kentucky rifles. Some with a semblance of rifling to help them reach out a little better.

    I can really understand why someone would want to do something like this from scratch rather than from a kit. Bbut if you want the thing to actually work then you have to be able to make the thing safe. And I don't think there a piece of pipe out there that would put me at ease as a firearms chamber & barrel.
     
  9. Hawg

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    Are you sure it wasn't a spud gun fired off by hair spray?
     
  10. AK_ID

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    You said what I meant to say, but you said it better.

    This is essentially one of those "Yes, it can be done, but don't try this at home, kids" situations. I mean, there have been times in history when cannons with wooden barrels have been used in war, but who in his right mind would want to be the one to touch a spark to the fuse on one of those things? Not me.
     
  11. ALSGUN

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    I have considered making something myself, BUT as said, safety would have to be the Number one concern. I put together a black powder kit and it worked well and also very rewarding. Now a good many years ago when i was young and stupid, I was around to put together a makeshift gun from a car antenna...:eek:
     
  12. AK_ID

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    Guess we've all done dumb things as kids. It's amazing any of us survived before the days of seatbelts, carseats, kneepads and bike helmets, eh?

    About homebuilt firearms, I think anyone with decent mechanical skills and a fair amount of experience with metal working could build a safe one, assuming he did a bit of research, and exercised common sense. I still wouldn't consider using a chunk of black pipe for a barrel, though.
     
  13. skullcrusher

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    The pressures created by black powder (not smokeless) and a light grain projectile are not that great. 30-50 grains of Pyrodex and a 100 grain bullet will not create much pressure, especially if the bullet is not patched or saboted. The inline muzzleloaders using 150 grains of powder and a 300 grain saboted bullet creates some significant pressures, and I would not trust some gas piping to handle that.

    Hawg has a great question, are you sure it was not a hair spray spud gun? Or maybe even a dry ice gun?
     
  14. AK_ID

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    Just to clarify ... when I saw this thread my first thought was that I didn't want to see someone hurt himself.

    I'm reminded of a situation that occured when I lived in southwest Idaho. Two young fellows were drinking, and they had a flack jacket, or Kevlar vest, and they leaned it against a gravel bar and fired a few shots into it to see if it really worked. It did. Then, one of them put the vest on and dared his buddy to shoot. He did. The result wasn't pretty for either of those dumb kids. Anyway, I think building a gun based on a piece of gas pipe is nearly as dumb.
     
  15. archangel2003

    archangel2003 New Member

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    It was not a "spud gun" but a real firearm (if you can even call it that) used for (I assume) hunting small things up close like quail and what not.
    I looked for the magazine but could not find it.

    It was one of those Survival / back woodsman type of magazines that offer info on making your own knives, bows and arrows, fish traps and what not.

    There was a disclaimer that said the article was the view of the author and not something the magazine was suggesting you do.

    The only way I would make one is if they offered a kit for something like this listed below.

    Cabela's -- Davide Pedersoli Howdah Pistol

    I also like this Stainless revolver as well.

    Cabela's -- 1858 New Army Stainless Steel .44 Caliber Target Model and Starter Kit
     
  16. ALSGUN

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    Question for metal smart folks, I put together a kit that used brass for the barrel, it was I believe 31 cal. derringer type pistol nice gun fired it several times and it worked well before I traded it. How does the brass compare to the metal in store bought pipes?
     
  17. AK_ID

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    I'd trust a brass barrel before I'd trust a chunk of pipe. The pipe is probably from China, and consists of melted Fords, soup cans and other miscellaneous unassayed material.

    I think the pressure rating for one-inch schedule 40 steel pipe is something like 2,800 PSI, a far cry from the PSI you might have in a black powder firing chamber.

    Oh, and for God's sake, I hope nobody here confuses black pipe with schedule 40 or 80 PVC.
     
  18. archangel2003

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    I almost forgot that I also had one of those brass (double barreled and both barrels bored out of a single block of brass) 36 caliber derringers.

    I fired it a couple times but being a smooth bore the accuracy and the overall quality were lacking so I lost interest.

    I did build a standard 45 caliber derringer from a kit.
     
  19. c3shooter

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    I built a .75 caliber brass CANNON as a present for a friend. Lathe turned and bored. And while it is mainly for saluting, I DID proof test that one. Double load of ffG powder, and a 12 g slug. 4 shots, no change in dimensions. But THAT puppy had thick walls at the chamber, and thick barrel walls.
     
  20. archangel2003

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    I guess a massive enough piece of metal with a hole bored in it would work reasonably well as a smooth bore or shotgun.

    Anyone know where the dimensions of the inner bore of the barrel of a muzzle-loading shot gun could be found?

    I never handled much less used a muzzle loaded shot gun.