Home defense Shotgun

Discussion in 'General Shotgun Discussion' started by jeffkaiser1989, Apr 20, 2014.

  1. jeffkaiser1989

    jeffkaiser1989 New Member

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    Need some help here. Looking at shotguns for home defense and as we all know there are alot of choices. Looking for peoples input and what they use as a Home Defense gun. So hit me with make and models and ill be able to research them farther. thanks in advance.
     
  2. Axxe55

    Axxe55 The Apocalypse Is Coming.....

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    okay, i'll play along!

    Remington Model 870. excellent reputation and solid performer. lots of aftermarker support in parts and accessories.

    Mossberg Model 500. another excellent choice with lot of aftermarket support in parts and accessories as well.

    Winchester SXP Defender. solid performer with a great action. my current HD shotgun.

    Maverick Model 88. economy version of the Mossberg Model 500 and some parts and accessories for the 500 will work on the 88 as well.

    these will get you started on research into what's best for you. all four i have listed, i have owned at one time or another. never had any problems with any of them.
     

  3. kbd512

    kbd512 Well-Known Member Lifetime Supporter

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    Well,

    You have Remington 870's and Mossberg 590's. They're economically priced pump guns that get the job done.

    On the high end, you have Benelli M4 Super 90 (M1014) and SAIGA-12 (AK shotguns).

    Pretty much every SAIGA-12 gets customized, so it ends up costing more than the base shotgun does, which isn't all that inexpensive to begin with.

    There are obviously plenty other makes/models to choose from, all of which will do the job, but the aftermarket and parts availability for them is less than with the big 4.

    I have a Remington 870 Police Magnum. It's not as fancy as a Benelli, but I feed it whatever I want and it hasn't complained. I replace a lot of the cheap factory parts with better aftermarket parts.

    The sights, safety, magazine follower, sling plates, stock, slide, and side saddle are all aftermarket. Basically, it's about a 1K gun now, on par with what a stock Colt 6920 costs.

    What you choose to put on your shotgun is up to you, but I prefer a shotgun with a white light, a correct length of pull stock for me (not a Viking), sling plates or swivels, an adjustable two point sling, and tritium night sights. Whatever else you want is personal preference, but it's hard for the shotgun to function as a home defense weapon without those accessories that I listed.
     
  4. Egreen96

    Egreen96 New Member

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    Personally I have a Remington 870 with an 18 inch barrel that I load with alternating buckshot and slugs. I would be equally comfortable with a Mossberg 500/590 however and it seems to me they have more reasonably priced defense options than the 870. There are really countless choices it just really depends what you're willing to spend.


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  5. kbd512

    kbd512 Well-Known Member Lifetime Supporter

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    One last note on the subject. In life you generally get what you pay for.

    People who expect a $250-$350 Remington 870 Express to function like a $500-$600 Remington 870 Police Magnum are going to be disappointed (if they've used both).

    A manufacturer can't make a $250 shotgun (or less for the Chinese versions) function the same way a shotgun that costs double what the hunting shotguns cost. Somewhere Remington, Mossberg, and NORINCO are going to have to cut costs to make an offering at the price point.

    So, generally speaking, things like precise machining or polishing and hand fitting of parts are not an option for economical hunting shotguns. Yes, you can do those things yourself if you have the know-how and time, but the manufacturer has materials, machine time and tooling, and labor costs that aren't going away. Ever notice how manufacturers offer things at about the same price point with respect to military spec firearms?

    Colt 1911: ~$1K
    Colt SAA: ~$1K
    Colt 6920: ~$1K

    Arsenal AK (stamped or milled): ~$1K
    SAIGA 12 (military variant): ~$1K

    Remington 700 Police: ~$1K
    Winchester Model 70: ~$1K

    Remington 870 Police Magnum: $500-$600
    Mossberg 590: $500-$600

    Glock 17: $500-$600
    S&W M&P9: $500-$600
    Beretta M9:$500-$600

    See any pattern there?

    Through luck or deal, you may find better prices, but let's talk general case, not whether or not Bubba knows who wants to dump an original Colt Walker revolver for fifty bucks because the seller knows nothing about what he's selling. Can you purchase used or when a deal is offered? Certainly, but if you already knew exactly what you were looking, what you were willing to pay, and what you could come by as alternatives for what you wanted, then you would not have asked any questions here.

    So, for something you're going to bet your life and the lives of your family members on, spend a little extra and get something that was specifically designed for what you stated you were looking for and realize that a pump that cycles smoothly or a military auto loader that feeds and shucks every time is worth the money.

    With respect to accessories, every long gun needs a sling and a home defense long gun needs a single point or two point quick-adjust. I prefer the two point quick adjust for heavier guns, but inside your home a single point will work just as well. Your call on that one.

    You also need a high quality white light to identify what you may or may not have requirement to shoot at. I prefer SureFire for this purpose. Yes, other brands are available. I've never broken a TIR lens SureFire. I've scratched them up and chipped pieces of aluminum out of the bezel or body from dropping them or smacking them into things, but I've not broken one.

    I prefer the X300 because it's the least expensive purpose designed weapon light SureFire sells, but other purpose designed models work just as well. SureFire makes integrated fore end weapon lights for both the Remington 870 and Mossberg 590 and they're not that much more expensive than the X300.

    If you have the coin for a SAIGA-12 or Benelli M4, then you can afford to experiment with what works best for you.
     
  6. donthav1

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    not sure what your budget is but a used gun can be a great value. mine is a 27 year old Mossberg 500, I bought it used for $100 a couple years ago, found a used 18.5" barrel on ebay for $70 away I go.

    other economical options (if you're only looking for home defense & not bird hunting) are the H&R/NEF Pardner pump at $179 new here. it's basically an 870 copy & a lot of the parts are interchangeable.

    another option is the Armscor/Rock Island M5. it's a copy of the old High Standard shotguns which hands down have the smoothest action I've ever run, and by all accounts I've heard the M5 is just as smooth
     
  7. WonderingMind

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    I have both a Remington 870 (Nitro Tactical) and a Mossberg 930. The 870 is the wife's.. She picked it up at the LGS and fell right in love with it. I however, really like my 930. It is a bit fussy about ammo, but as long as I feed it ammo with enough power to cycle the action it will go all day.
     
  8. jeffkaiser1989

    jeffkaiser1989 New Member

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    should have included a budget. probably up to 600$ starting to save now and will probably spend up to that on a shotgun. thanks for all the advice already guys and gals
     
  9. bigjim

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    This is a personal opinion, not a hard and fast rule. If you have a shotgun setup for skeet then use it for sheet, if you have one setup for ducks, then use it for ducks. But if it is for home defense then get one for that purpose and leave it alone as setup.

    Just an opinion.
    Jim

    Weatherby 459 18.5 inch barrel, 12 gauge 2 3/4 & 3 inch shells, Light, red dot & breaching choke.
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    That would be my Model 12 Riot..................
     
  12. readytogo

    readytogo New Member

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    home defence shotgun

    Winchester Model 1897/Remington 870shotgun during my army days (Vietnam), today the Mossberg 590 with heat shield and M7 bayonet lug is in use but for home defense you will need a short stock weapon with a high capacity magazine and please don`t put a flashlight on the weapon, makes you a better target .:D
    ps.And remember that slugs go thru walls very easy, so keeping this in mind train everybody in the household to hit the floor in case of any shooting in the home
     
  13. nchunt101

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    PM me if you would ever consider selling. Those are awesome guns.
     
  14. TekGreg

    TekGreg Lifetime Supporting Member Lifetime Supporter

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    I take a bit different tack on what to buy for a self-defense shotgun. I prefer a used Police 870 or Mossberg 500/590. The reason I like used is because they have been broken in, and if you are going to practice with these guns the way you should, they should be droppable, throwable and able to break windows and skulls on a moments notice. Those who buy new tend not to want to treat their safe queen in this manner. Also, there tends to be more parts and aftermarket add-ones for these two models than any other. You can customize these until you get it exactly the way you want it.
     
  15. FrontierTCB

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    Another point I'd like to make along those lines is I seem to read of a lot of people on here and other sites complaining about poor quality parts being used in mid grade shotguns like the 870,500,590, etc. these days.

    I own all three and I think the newest one is about 12 years old. They have all been flawless for me over the years.
    Seems like the saying "Don't make em like they used to" could apply here.


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  16. kbd512

    kbd512 Well-Known Member Lifetime Supporter

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    Agreed.

    My 870 has been dropped, it's scuffed and dinged, and the barrel has been posted into mother earth and walls on occasion. If you buy a 2K Benelli M4 and then are afraid to give the gun a good working over, then it's not doing you any good.

    You can certainly save a pretty penny by buying used, but a competent gunsmith needs to check the shotgun before you start using it. I personally inspect all firearms I purchase, whether they came straight from the factory or not. If I'm not sure about something, I have my gunsmith look at it.

    If possible, take your gunsmith shopping with you. Having a friend who is a gunsmith is a good idea if you're going to put much money towards defense use weapons, even if it costs you a case of beer or two.

    Over time you're going to damage or destroy certain components that are part of defense use firearms and you need a gunsmith to aid in determining what's permissible to continue using and what's not. Eventually, you'll learn enough from him that a lot of the things he checks for you can check yourself.
     
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  17. NC1760

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    just throwing this out there....

    IF you're left handed... or have someone in the household who is and may need to use the shotgun... why not an Ithaca model 37 ??
    http://www.ithacagun.com/defense37s.html
    ..It loads AND ejects from the bottom.
     
  18. Axxe55

    Axxe55 The Apocalypse Is Coming.....

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    there is nothing wrong with buying used if it was taken care of. i think many of us own or shoot guns that belonged to our parents or grandparents that function perfectly because they were taken care of properly.
     
  19. kfox75

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    Great posts guys.

    Not a bad idea when it comes to not getting blaster with hot brass in the face, but something would have to be done with the stock and the safety for smaller users. i had a 1971 model 37 featherweight in 20 gauge for about a year before it became trade in fodder. The reasons,

    1. the safety sticks out to the left of the trigger group, and had a tendency to gouge, bruise, or blister the base of my trigger finger when shooting trap with it.

    2. the palm swell favored a right handed shooter, making the grip uncomfortable in my left hand. this also was a factor in the hits on my trigger finger as I had to stretch my finger too far to get a good feel while shooting.

    3. you have to load the tube first. there is no direct way to load the chamber on the shotgun, so you have to load the shell in the tube and cycle the action to go to battery. This can be an issue if the need to change shell type arises. A side port is simpler most of the time since you can side tip ans insert directly into the chamber.

    Not knocking your decision. If it works for you, go for it. i am simply stating why it did not for me (5'7 with small hands and short fingers).

    As to the OP, try to find a few of your friends who own makes and models of HD shotguns you are interested in. See if they will meet you at the range if you buy some test rounds so you can try them out. This will give a direction to move forward on the purchase you are planning. you may even find that one of your friends has one they want to sell, and that what he is selling fits your needs. If not, check out your LGS, and pawn shops in your area. There are some great deals sitting on the trade in racks.

    I have a 2002 or 2003 remington 870 Express magnum that I picked up used with the slug barrel for $200 OTD in '06. It was in like new condition, and it was used as a trade in because the last owner found it to suck at slug shooting. truth is, the last owner didn't know how to adjust the sights correctly, and he was using sabots in a smooth bore. his loss, my gain. i did wind up removing the wood furniture, and trading it to a friend for his sons synthetic youth furniture which he had out grown. the only other add-ons were a set of fiber optic slug model sights, a 3 round magazine extension (had to machine off the "ears" inside of the mag tube to allow full loading), a slip on shell holder, and a mag\barrel brace. Inside I spent about 6 hours with a smithing stone working on the trigger and the action, then I gave the chamber a slight overbore. i need to take some new pics to show off the porting my father did to the barrel (thanks Dad), but here is an older pic of what has served me well for the last 8 years.

    Best of luck with your search, and let us know wind up with.
     

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