Home defense revisited.

Discussion in 'Concealed Carrying & Personal Protection' started by MB44, Jan 15, 2010.

  1. MB44

    MB44 New Member

    OK, here we go again...

    I would like to know how you guys do home defense. Not so much what type of firearms you use, as this was already covered in a previous thread (http://www.firearmstalk.com/forums/f17/how-do-you-do-home-defense-21611/), but rather
    1. Where and how you store/keep the firearm(s).
    2. What safe do you use, and do you keep it locked/open - day/night.
    3. Do you keep your firearms all together, or do you deposit multiple firearms around in your home.
    4. What type of consideration/arrangements do you do if you have kids in the house.
    5. And what about your “significant other”… how does she/he participate in this scheme.
  2. General_lee

    General_lee New Member

    Well I don't have a spouse or kids yet and i'm currently still living with the parents.
    There are no children in my house, so I don't have to worry about that.
    I keep one beside my bed on the nightstand, one on the computer desk and usually the rest in the gun cabinet.

  3. Hobo Bob

    Hobo Bob New Member

    I carry all day, when I go to bed, I put it on the nightstand.

    I keep a SP101 next to my chair in the living room where I sit while watching TV.

    I keep all of my guns in a closet in my bedroom.

    When my Grandkids visit us, they all are unloaded and stored. They know where they are, but have been raised as I raised my son's, they they are not toys.

    My wife shoots almost as good as I do. She has no problem with function on any of my guns. She knows where they are at, but doesn't carry. She carries heavy duty spray I got from a neighbor gun dealer. It's LEO strength, and she likes it better for ease of carry.

    My GSD is my early warning system. Don't try and sneak up. He loves to play that game.
    Last edited: Jan 15, 2010
  4. MoHawk

    MoHawk New Member

    I live with 2 other men (strictly heterosexual LOL). We all carry and have our own living spaces. We each handle our own when it comes to home defense but we work well togetehr as well. As far as I am concerned.... .45 on the bed next to me, whatever else I am carrying holstered by the bedroom door. 12g mounted on the wall in the staircase so you have to reach up for it and it is not very noticeable. Since all the bedrooms are upstairs, we try not to leave any firearms down stairs incase some a$$clown breaks in unarmed, now all of a sudden we've armed him....
  5. jimbobpissypants

    jimbobpissypants New Member

    Nice twist on an old question.
    Most of my guns are in the downstairs safes.
    Besides the bed I keep one of those fingerprint to open safes. In the safe is my wife's sp101 and my Para ordnance p1445. Halogen flashlight on top of safe. I do keep a shot gun in my closet which is locked up high where my kids can't reach it. Shotty is not loaded, in case the kide (5 and 9) would find a way to get in. Shotty is also well hidden, and kids don't know it's in there.
    I really can't keep more guns scattered around the house because of the kids.
    Wifey is proficient with her little revolver.
    Probably the most part of our home defense is our dogs. One barks alot. One doesn't bark, just sneaks up, puts his nose in your crotch and waits for my command. If you're cool, so is he. If you're anything but cool, he's trained to deal with it.
    I feel this is the most important part because no one sneaks up on us and they buy me time to get hands on the shotty.
  6. Silvertip 44

    Silvertip 44 New Member

    I live here with my little dog so I don't have to worry about children until my granddaughters come over. I keep all not in use in two gun safes locked at all times.
    I carry all the time so one is on me, one is in my recliner arm. A semi auto shotgun is in the corner by my bed. I also place my carry pistol on the nightstand after I set the alarm.
  7. canebrake

    canebrake New Member

    I don't carry while in the house but there is a loaded handgun <15 steps away anywhere in the house.
    Last edited: Jan 30, 2010
  8. Scott3670

    Scott3670 New Member

    I keep my SIG P250 fully loaded in the nightstand. I also put on a Surefire flashight on it. An extra mag, another flashlight, and a Benchmade folder finish off my kit.
  9. treehugger49

    treehugger49 New Member

    The short version: bedroom has deadbolt lock with thumbolt from the inside to facilitate becoming a "safe room." Door is solid wood - not hollow core type.

    My XD is usually on me until bedtime, at which time it goes on the bedside table. It stays in Condition One at all times.

    Next to the XD is my cellphone.

    Next to the cellphone is a Surefire 6P w/ xenon bulb conversion.

    My wife's XD-9SC w/ Trijicon night sights is with two steps of her.

    We realize a deadbolt lock won't stop someone hellbent on coming through the door, but it will surely slow him down long enough for us to get to cover and begin our rehearsed process of calling 911, issuing verbal commands, readying for the shot, etc. A script for the purpose of conversing with the 911 operator isn't a bad idea, either. Under circumstances of high stress folks are known to forget their address and other essential information...
  10. Torontogunguy

    Torontogunguy New Member

    At home I do not feel the need to carry; my .45 Glock 30 sits bedside locked up in a bolted down GunVault with two spare magazines and the strongest flashlights I could buy. But if you are counting on that .45 to protect you it is a grave error. Having been some years in the security business the story of self defence is a looooooong one. Here are a few points to note:
    1. Know your neighbors for at least a half dozen homes in both directions, both sides of the street and behind you. Make sure they know you and your family from the front, the back, the side and upside down... make sure they know the way you walk and talk. Take nightly walks around the corner.
    2. Protect your perimeter. Trim back trees and hedges so that the front and sides of your home are visible from the street; ditto the back yard. You want modesty and privacy? Install curtains. Install a quality alarm system that will protect that perimeter at all times, home or away. That includes the garage. Install steel doors and if you want glass in those doors ensure that it is protective either by metal inserts between the panes or by anti-burglary film properly installed by a professional. Put quality deadbolts on every door as well as a peg in the floor or one of the fancy metal doo-dads that allows you to open the door a few inches but prevents it from being kicked in. Make sure your door hinges are on the INSIDE. Etc.
    3. Protect your property. Dog is truly man's best friend but you MUST train the dog not to bark unless someone is ON your property and to stop barking on your command so you can hear what is going on. That has prevented TWO home invasions for us. The dogs were little wee ones but very loud. Second benefit is that the bad guys would rather break into a home without barking. It's just plain easier.
    4. Put the alarm keypad by the front door so the BG's can see it from outside if possible. Put alarm stickers all over the place. Put a panel in your bedroom so you can arm/disarm before retiring or while home. Have panic buttons for police/ambulance installed in strategic locations (cheap). DO NOT be afraid to use them.
    5. Ensure that you have a phone bedside AND that you have a cellular phone bedside or on you at all times. DO NOT be afraid to call for help. Better safe than sorry and the LEO's would rather be investigating strange noises than strange shootings.
    6. If you choose to use a firearm to protect yourself in the event of a breakin you must only use it if you fear for your well-being. Regardless of what the law says about castle doctrine or whatever. Shoot until the threat stops and no more. My personal policy - rules of engagement, are simple. You enter my home and I holler at you to get out and you proceed further into my home in my direction I am going to empty my magazine into you until you aren't moving any longer. What to do after this is well laid out in this forum elsewhere and should be taught to you when you take your lethal force courses. They must be automatic and reflexive because you are going to go onto autopilot when the shooting occurs. Auditory exclusion, fine motor skills, etc., will all go out the window. You need to have practiced to the extend that you go onto autopilot and do all the right things when a shooting takes place. Makes sure that your firearms are secured when LEOs arrive as they will not know that you are the good guy/victim.

    Last but not least, read the posts on this forum and get trained and practiced! You need to know what to say and what to do after a shooting.

    You need to know your personal rules of engagement and you need to communicate them to your family (they will not like what you are saying, trust me... but they will remember). AND you need to be prepared in no uncertain terms to engage when those rules are tripped. Ever hear the stories of the LEO and the bad guy who, at ten feet apart, each fired ten or twenty rounds at each other and did not have a single round hit the target? Remember that when you are practicing.

    ABOVE ALL, you need to remember that it is better to be sad and upset that you have shot someone, perhaps taking their life.... than it is to be room temperature and heading for a stainless steel slab.

    There are far too many tips to even begin to discuss in one posting and you need to get trained and practiced. Clearing your home is not a good practice... let the LEO's do that. Make sure your family has the game plan understood and well understood. In our home it is simple. Everyone comes to our bedroom and we take cover (pre determined). Anything comes through that bedroom door not wearing a uniform is going to be stopped the moment the cross the threshold.

    One last thing. This CENTER OF MASS thing. We were trained that COM is a fallacy. What you really want to aim for is called the 'Centre of the Cardiovascular Triangle" and runs between the nipples and up to the base of the throat (from either side). That is NOT an assured immediate stop shot. And I don't care if you are using a .50 and poke a hole right through the middle of the perp's pump. It is a bleedout shot if the perp is on drugs.... the only 'dead stop' shot is the 'dead stop shot triangle' which takes out a portion of the cerebellum; and it runs roughly from across the upper lip with the apex at the bridge of the nose. A well placed shot here will stop things most times on the spot and it is the shot LEO snipers are trained to use in hostage situations because there is generally not even a reflexive thumb pull on the trigger of the perp. The hostage's best chance of survival and a shot that you may one day be called upon to make... hence my final recommendation and that is range time. Not just shooting at targets but moving and shooting or shooting from cover.

    Sorry to babble on. Should have just posted the DVD version. You get the idea in any event. CCW/CWP comes with great responsibility and it is up to you to use that firearm for more than just escalating the level of violence. If you truly want to protect yourself and your family you are going to have to invest some time and money.... be safe.
  11. flyingbrickracing

    flyingbrickracing New Member

    I don't mind babble that makes sence,I read it with great interest.
  12. gadrooning

    gadrooning New Member

    I keep a loaded 1911 next to me in bed and a loaded beretta px4 and a loaded s&w airweight in an easy access stackon safe in the bedroom closet. all other guns and ammo is locked in a secured safe and foot locker. I keep 1911 without chambering a round next to me when I'm sleeping, just in case for some ungodly reason I or my wife forget to put the gun away in the morning, my children cannot fire it. They are too small to rack the slide back. That will change soon. I am considering the biometric safe here soon next to the bed. I leave a unloaded gun around the house once in a while, always close by and never out of my sight. I test the don't touch, dad I found a gun test.
    Last edited: Feb 28, 2010
  13. ninjatoth

    ninjatoth New Member

    I have a 3 year old,so I keep just 1 loaded pistol in the house.I keep it in the master bedroom up on a high shelf in a closet,and my 3 year old isn't allowed in that room nor can she get in the room because of the child locks.I also keep the chamber empty just to be safe,but I keep the safety off because I taught my wife to just rack and pull the trigger.I used to have a revolver,but I feel more safe having a pistol,because if my child ever got to it-not that she ever could,but if one in a million she did,pulling the trigger will do nothing.I really do need to get a lockbox for it though,not only to make it safer,but so I can put the lockbox next to my bed rather than having to run to the closet if I ever needed the gun.
  14. Torontogunguy

    Torontogunguy New Member

    Please think about that lockbox soon. Better early than too late. Our son, bless his heart, learned to walk at age 2. At age 2 plus about a month he learned to climb. Little did we even think about that drawer at the bottom of the stove... and that day he pulled open the drawer and climbed up and pulled down a bowl of soup that was cooling at the back of the stove onto his head. We spent six months taking turns with him sleeping between us watching him so he would not touch his head as the skin would simply slide off... Today he is a robust 16 year old who can fly (pilot license) but cannot yet drive. He is the drum major of his Squadron. You would not know he was badly burned as a toddler.

    My point is that things happen fast. Get yourself a GunVault sooner than later and set your mind at ease. They open fast.. Toss a couple of loaded spare magazines in there while you are at it. And don't forget to bolt it down and make sure the "no touch" rule is enforced. It only takes a split second. From one parent to another.

    ADDED: Oh. One other thing. That 'toddler' is also a top notch shooter. Black Badge qualified and invited to join the Ontario Junior IPSC Team. Shoots from a holster faster and more accurate than his dad and owns two leftie AR16's which he is also very adept with. And, amazingly, can shoot 1.5" groups at 100M with iron sights and an Anschutz .22 on paper targets that I can't even see! He was invited to join a group of aspiring olympians on the spot but is far too busy flying and being drum major of the band. He has no recollection of the burn and no scarring; he is a handsome young man that knows exactly where he is going and getting the grades to get there (missed honour roll by 0.3 of a mark this year but they have promised to round it up to get him there). He has taken much lethal force training including military and private and including simunition training. And having said ALL of this to give you a background of the young man; he does NOT have the combination to the gunsafe as I personally do not believe that he has the 'tact or wherewithall' to ensure his visiting friends away from the pistols. He will be presented 'his' long guns this year, including the Anschutz, AR16's, Mauser .308, etc. as it's hard to shoot yourself in the foot with a long gun. Next year he will be presented with 'his' pistols which include two Glocks, a Ruger Mk II target, etc. And if I am so inclined at the time, I will buy him a GunVault for his bedroom as well to keep the guns hot and ready to go but safe from prying hands and fingers. It only takes a split second for a toddler to get at a gun that is hot and change everyone's life forever.
    Last edited: Feb 28, 2010
  15. Biohazurd

    Biohazurd New Member

    I have no need for safes and locks as i have no children and am not married. I have a very big doberman to protect my stuff when im gone as well as an extremely secure house. On top of that i live in the remote colorado wilderness you could say and am quite far from civilization and most of the bad guys. In my house i literally have a loaded gun in every room. whether it be a rifle, handgun or shotgun. They arent just laying out but are cleverly concealled.
  16. gorknoids

    gorknoids New Member

    A gun in a safe is not a home-defense asset. It's just a gun in a safe.
  17. Torontogunguy

    Torontogunguy New Member

    A gun in a combo lock safe that is in your basement is certainly not a home defense asset. Agreed. But some states and Canada have very specific gun storage laws and if you want to play with them be prepared to get your fingers burned. That's all.

    The GunVault is a relatively secure (not as secure as a safe of course) storage means and one has to do what one has to do.

    I do not consider myself a security 'expert' but I have spent a number of years in the security consulting business for some rather high end residential customers... and there are a few essential basics to home defense.

    You need to understand in no uncertain terms that it does NOT boil down to whether or not you have a gun in your hand loaded and cocked ready to fire versus whatever... there is almost a set routine that has been developed through extensive experience over many years of experience that sets the stage for optimum home security and defense; it depends on how much you are willing to invest in the effort, both in terms of cash and in terms of your personal time and effort.

    Anyone that thinks that having a gun in every room loaded and ready to rock is the end of the story is sadly mistaken and I would suggest that in most situations would be considered 'at risk' (at best).

    Having everything in place ASIDES from that firearm and not having it readily available as quickly as possible given the laws of your jurisdiction is also a risk factor... having it locked in a safe with a combo lock unloaded and in a different room in your home.... well, I would not argue that it makes for a pretty useless tool.
  18. Torontogunguy

    Torontogunguy New Member

    Having loaded guns all over the place is a definite biohazard. Why not just strap one on and be done with it? When you sit down you can put it down beside you if that makes you warm and fuzzy.

    I would be thinking safety first in any event. Recently had someone I know put a .45 through his hand by accident (after 20 years of safe handling, one second of 'whooops' did it).

    We need to weigh the advantages of what we are doing against the benefits. If you live in a neighborhood that dictates you have a loaded gun in every room I'd be looking to move.

    Even in the wilderness, as it were, I can see carrying a loaded firearm and I can see having a shotgun loaded with slugs and buckshot perhaps or an AR with a couple of magazines at hand standing by out of sight and safe. But the guys that are walking around with three guns strapped on and have a hot handgun in every room of the house? I really have to wonder.
  19. gorknoids

    gorknoids New Member

    "Having loaded guns all over the place is a definite biohazard. Why not just strap one on and be done with it? When you sit down you can put it down beside you if that makes you warm and fuzzy."

    I DO "strap one on", even in my house. That way, I can shoot the bad guys really quickly if they decide to kick my doors in. I can now see why my grandparents left Canada. You just keep on practicing getting that safe open. I'm sure that the police will praise your civic conscience. Seriously, you need to move South. We can actually defend ourselves. I can reach right down and pull out a handful of Death whenever I feel that the threshold has been met, without asking "Mother, May I?" of some government pogue.
    In short, Americans don't have to be murdered if we don't want to. In honor of the recently-departed Tango, I am both compelled and honored to call you a Effing Douche.
    I don't live in a neighborhood which tells me what I can or cannot do. I'm an adult with a brain of my own. I can read, and I can think, so why the Hell would I need a gang of sheep dogs to keep me in line? I'm not busting on you personally, but you really need to grow a pair, Pierre.
    A gun in a safe is not a home-defense tool. It's just a gun in a safe. I hope to Christ that you are a really good shot with a safe.
  20. howquig

    howquig New Member

    I carry a Ruger P95 all day and at night it goes on my tv or next to the bed in a holster riged to the bed frame.I also have a 20 ga. for the wife that is 2 steps away from her side in a closet. and if worse comes to worse we always have the DPMS AR hanging on the wall up high so the little one can't get to it even though we use a gate to keep him out of that room still rather be safe.