Home Defense Dog?

Discussion in 'Survival & Sustenance Living Forum' started by 6shooterjunction, May 18, 2007.

  1. 6shooterjunction

    6shooterjunction New Member

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    What do you all think about a Presa for a home defense dog?

    I've talked with the breeders and those at elpresa.com and of course they all say that defense and guarding is one of the things these dogs are best at.

    The main reason I'm interested in the presa over other dogs:

    1. Short haired and not bad on the shedding.
    2. Extremely loyal to the family but distrusting of strangers.
    3. Very tough dog that will reduce my chance of even having to get involved if a home invader threatens me.
    4. I've never been a fan of smaller dogs and these are far from small.
    5. I just love the look of them!

    The only downside that I can see is the price. They usually want about $1200 for them but I've heard of other tough breeds (like Rottweilers, Dobermans, German Shephards) that run as much as $3000.
     
  2. RONSERESURPLUS

    RONSERESURPLUS New Member

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    Home Defense DOG

    Hello all


    RON L here = SERESURPLUS



    While I do agree with your Premise of a Home defense dog, I think your narowwing the field a bit? Thier has always been a Place for a Home Defense Dog in many families and those always included the Real Breeds, Shepards, Chows, Akida, Husky and the Like? I know you like the dog your asking about, I can offer no advice on that, as I don't know that Breed? I would offer you a way Cheaper alternative, on that would net you a good dog, Save a dogs Life and Offer releif from many Pounds? ADOPT! Look at the Kind and Size of Dog that your interested, heck they might even have one like your looking for? If not, a great alternative? I have a CHOW and Golder retriever Mix and I would not trade him for 2 Dogs with papers! It was a Simple Love adoption, cost was Low, he was already paper trained, Loves inside and outside living and is a great Natural Guard dog! Not overly agressive with all but Cats, he's good around the kids as well! Look to what works for you and I'm not trying to tell you what that is, but look to expand your search and You might find a great dog, save hi or her life and Adopt an Aminals who's time is UP? Remember, if they don't get Adopted by you and me, many are Just plain killed off? Look at a Puppy, Older Dog or somewhere in the Middle? Good Luck and Let us know how that all goes, OK?






    RON L
     

  3. Brent L

    Brent L New Member

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    Just remember that any dog that you use must not be your PRIMARY defense tactic. I would prefer a loud, vocal dog that alerts me to a potential threat rather than one for attack. If you want both, then by all means get one!

    My bulldog, Abigail, is a very good alert dog but would probably lick an intruder into submission rather than gnaw him!:eek:
     
  4. notdku

    notdku Administrator Staff Member

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    From my experience with dogs, a family dog is not going to be a guard dog. Even with strangers.

    There is a show called "It Takes a Thief". They essentially break into houses and run into all sorts of large breeds (Labs, German Shepherds, Pit Bulls, Boxers, Rotts) and if you act friendly and nice the dog has no problems despite it's breed. If you raised a dog to hate strangers then you might run into problems with him biting people or such, not a good dog to have IMO.

    I have a large breed dog, St. Bernard/Pit mix and a small dog Min Pin/Chihuahua. The small breed dog will alert me far in advance if someone is on my property. It's more of a guard dog than my large breed.
     
  5. RONSERESURPLUS

    RONSERESURPLUS New Member

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    Hello all


    RON L here = SERESURPLUS



    While I agree that some Large breeds are not good Guard dogs, I challenge anyone to come to my yard and test My Chow/Mutt, You can try and Act Nice, try to feed him, try to be his friend, you'll end up Hurt or hurting him! UPS, Gas meter Reader, alll have to call us First, it's really all dependant on the dog, and a good fence? LOL Got all the l the neighbor kids educated, Mean Dog Signs, have told all the folks to watch out, Now most know!


    It depends on how you train them and what they know to look for! All our Friends know he's a good dog, but also know it's his yard and to call us or Yell to house first! I know what shows on TV, I also know what I have tested and works? Just my .02 but mine is a tested method!
     
  6. Brent L

    Brent L New Member

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    Again, brother Ron, you are spot on. Every dog I have owned alerted me to anything or anyone coming near the "zone". That includes my hunting dogs as well as my family dogs. I guess I've just been lucky in that respect.

    I just don't feel comfortable with a guard/attack trained dog. Maybe it's just that I can't justify the expense and the increased liability risks associated with one. And, quite frankly, I've never had a space large enough to warrant keeping a larger breed.

    I don't have a problem with anyone who has the space and/or the need to have a guard/attack dog.
     
  7. RONSERESURPLUS

    RONSERESURPLUS New Member

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    hOME dEFENCE DOG?

    Hello TRENT/ALL



    Thanks on the Kodo's TRENT! I don't know if I'm right or not? I just know what works for me? I love the resque of dogs from the Pound! If I had a Million dollars or more, I'd be saving a Heck of a lot more of them? I just see my Dog as one that is a good Family dog, But if he doesn't know someone , or we are not around, and you come on the Property, YUP, you got Problems! We have a Fence and Signs posted, so if someone does come in and gets hurt, it's on them, Here in WV, they take a bad lite to anyone on your property to loot, steal or comit crimes! Thats not to say you can have your dog Bitting and going after anyone, but you do need to keep him on a leash or in a fenced yard, where everyone knows the score? I see it as extending the Normal 'MY Yard" perspective that this Chow has and so many other dogs I've had! I love my dogs and don't want them hurting anyone, But I don't want folks in my yard or on my Property when they have no reason to be or wanna hurt one of us?


    In that way, I think a Mutt from the Pound with the right instinks Trumps a 3K dog anyday? What say you all?




    RON
     
  8. Brent L

    Brent L New Member

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    Ah, that's BRENT,Ron. :D
     
  9. RONSERESURPLUS

    RONSERESURPLUS New Member

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    Home defense dog

    Brent




    Sorry about the screw up, I mistyped that!





    RON L
     
  10. JoeLee

    JoeLee New Member

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    I've noticed through time some Dogs big or small breed no matter,are just natural aggressive watch Dogs,and will attack anyone not of the immediate Family.
     
  11. SheGUN

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    I have a "deterrent" dog! She's an American Staffordshire Terrier that looks real mean, but is an absolute baby! She adores kids, and is a very loyal family member, but she scares the heck out of anyone that comes to my front door.

    I tend to agree with JoeLee, that most dogs that are family pets will automatically defend their "territory" when faced with a situation. The question is: do you want a dog that will do the work for you, or one that will keep the bad guy at bay until you can get the cheesemaker?!?!?
     
  12. Spartan

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    defense dog

    for starters, a dog like that costs between 10 grand and 35 grand. ive looked into it, there is a place in washington and a place in toronto and one other place i dont remember where, the breed german shepherds specifically for defense, its just pricey.
     
  13. robocop10mm

    robocop10mm Lifetime Supporting Member Lifetime Supporter

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    Home defense dog

    I am partial to the Rottweiler. You have to find a GOOD one. Proper breeding. Look for happy, healthy, proper sized parents (no 120 pounders)that interact with children on a daily basis. The breed can go wrong (like any other breed). They are naturally protective of their "family" so no need to teach them to be mean. An 80 # female or 95 # male is a substantial deterrent to any bad guy. If raised the right way they will be the worlds largest lap dog and fight to the death for their family.
     
  14. Spartan

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    rots are great

    yea ive had rots, five of them they are great animals, i loved them. smart as hell, very food driven, which has its pros and cons.
     
  15. FALPhil

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    I will take that challenge. I never met a dog I couldn't co-opt. PM me with the location and I will show you how its done. At the most, it will take me 8 days.
     
  16. pioneer461

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    "It's not the size of the dog in the fight that matters,
    it's the size of the fight in the dog."

    Mine is a 75 pound Shepherd / Chow / Wolf.
     
  17. RED

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    I have a Rat Terrier mixed breed mutt that alerts me anytime anybody gets close but only after dark. I have a 1/4 mile driveway and just last week my little buddy woke us up at 3:00AM. I hit the floodlights and sure enough there was a pick up easing down the drive with no headlights. When the lights came on he slammed it into reverse and cut a chogie. By the time I could get my garage door open he was gone.:(
     
  18. Fatal-Limit

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    Hmmmm

    I breed rotties and have had several Presa's, The Presa is a formidable dog and like any other purchase you get what you pay for.

    Our Rotts are bred for size and for temperament, I disagree with those who claim a guard dog doesn't make a house pet and vs a versa. May I suggest this,
    With any dog the key to making them a guard type dog is socialization, if you keep your pet behind your gate or in your house and limit his access to strangers he/she will naturally become more aggressive to strangers. I walk several our dogs on a daily basis, I do not allow at anytime a stranger to pet my dogs, even the pups. When a neighbor stops me on the street to chat I make my dog sit or lie behind me and ignore whomever I am engaged with. By limiting the animals exposure to outside people and animals they will naturally become more territorial. When I have visitors or non-family members come to my home the dogs are put away. I also suggest if you are considering a large breed dog you owe it to yourself and the dog to have some professional training in obedience. My 4 year old granddaughter can walk my 160lb rott with no problem, he has been trained to know his role a faithful friend, a protector of his family and his environment.
     
  19. SabreArms

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    I personally grew up with Dobermans and have found that they make excellent family friends as well as guard dogs. In my house the dog is part of the family so I do not own one that is expected to do the work. I do own one to help out in a situation and thats all I expect from them. All the Dobermans that I have grown up with were extremely friendly with the family and kids and at the same time very protective of the family and kids.

    I am not advocating a breed but I am just saying that it is my belief that if you treat a dog properly it will return the favor.

    Currently I own an English Mastiff and a Chinese pug. Both are extremely protective of the house and their yard. On a few occasions the police have come to our house on an alarm call and noone had been able to get into the back yard. I constantly get greeted at the door when I come home late at night and neither dogs have had any formal training (not that you could do much good with the pug, stupid little creep ;) )

    And by the way I got both dogs at the pound.
     
  20. Bear_Down

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    Perhaps I can shed some light on some myths and facts on guard dogs.
    First off, Before some one presumes I am just popping off. I am a K-9 schutzhund trainer and decoy for prison and police dogs.

    Dogs associate everything. More mail men paper carriers and meter readers get bit because the dog viewes them as an unwelcome guest, Because they come to the door but are never allowed to cross into the DEN.
    The quickest way to make a dog aggressive towards others is to De socialize them.(confine).
    Some breeds are bread for guard and that's all one has to do is to encourage it ,But becarfull what you wish these are weapons with a mind of there own.
    The presa canero to those who do not know is known as the cane corso they were bred in Rome to fight Lions for sport in the coliseums. The breed itself is loyal to family and have a need to be with them. But strangers BEWARE.
    My all time favorite guard dog is the caucasian mountain dog .
    average 36" at the shoulders 200Lb's. No guard training needed .They know no fear and dislike every one and every thing except the pack.