Holsters - To re-enforce or not to re-enforce?

Discussion in 'General Handgun Discussion' started by Stillersfan, Feb 3, 2014.

  1. Stillersfan

    Stillersfan New Member

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    I wanted to get your opinion on IWB holsters having a re-enforced mouth. Do you typically look for this type of holster or is it not essential?? I have heard that most of the time the re-enforcement band will get caught up in my belt and will make it harder to draw your weapon.. Comments, thoughts??
     
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  2. John_Deer

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    If the holster is nylon I want something to prevent the nylon from fraying. I want a strip inside a leather holster to prevent the front sight from wearing through. I don't want a holster that is made like a bucket that a lot of TDPA shooters use.
     

  3. Rick1967

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    It is important to me that a holster does not collapse when you draw. You should be able to re-holster with one hand. If you can not, it can be dangerous. A lot of people will sweep their weak hand with the muzzle when trying to re-holster if the holster does not stay open on it's own. I have seen this on the IDPA range more than once.
     
  4. Stillersfan

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    I have a few leather holsters that have the re-enforced mouth and it seems a little more difficlut to draw then holsters without. I also learned that if you are in a struggle on the ground with a prep is nearly impossible to draw your weapon because the metal around the mouth squeezes the holster to the gun and not allowing it to release. I have tried this (without the gun being loaded of course) and I could not draw my weapon. I was wrestling with my older son who is 6' and 210lbs and I couldnt draw my weapon even if I could reach it because of the re-enforncement. Hmmmm...
     
  5. Rick1967

    Rick1967 Well-Known Member

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    I am not talking about metal. I am talking about a second strip of leather that is bonded to the holster near the opening. It is called a stiffener. It is still flexible. But it does not collapse.
     
  6. Stillersfan

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    Ok.. I think we are talking about two different things. Yes.. I agree that the second strap of leather is more flexible than the metal or plastic insert. That is what I am talking about. If its metal or plastic and not as flexible you can fid yourself in a fix if you cannot draw your gun because of the way it compresses against you.
     
  7. wittmeba

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    I am looking at holsters a lot right now myself. Good timing for this question - I will benefit from replies also.

    If you are talking about IWB it would make sense to be metal/plastic to retain the shape and so it doesn't compress while being worn and the gun is out of the holster.

    For the IWB the N8² Professional http://www.n82tactical.com/holster-options is on my short list.
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    It seems something like the IWB Remora http://www.remoraholsterstore.com/remora-rft-holster-iwb-s/1817.htm would flatten out when the guns is out of the holster. The Remora does have a lot of the holster above the beltline which may help.

    If you are talking about OWB it appears to me that most reinforcement is for appearance. It may also serve to keep the holster neck open as well. Here are lots of images of OWB mostly with bands at the opening. They appear for appearance, however, but likely help hold the holster open too.

    http://www.c5leather.com/Terms.html

    Simple OWB molded leather:
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    I would also like a nice Leather OWB that can be worn as concealed covered with a long shirt tail or jacket. I don't know if it is as important for OWB but could be.

    Links of Manufacturers of holsters:
    http://gotnarcosis.com/brucewittmeier/technical/Holsters.html
     
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  8. hardluk1

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    I to was try'n to figure out IWB or OWB. IWB for me is leather / kydex or all kydex. OWB is all lether ,doubled up top edge , NO metal or plastic involed. I don't want to have struggle to draw a holster. Snug fit and that's it. Been that way for 27 years.
     
  9. bigjim

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    I doubt it or you would have noted that the SRO has checked the gun for chamber clear and the the shooter has dropped the hammer before leaving the range and the guns have no magazines in them. So sweeping the weak side hand is a NO issue in this case they are totally unloaded.

    Jim
     
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  10. Stillersfan

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    Sorry.. I should have stated it in my post but this is mainly IWB holster but would like to hear if you wear OWB as well.
     
  11. KG7IL

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    Reinforced 'mouth' = Noble Idea, Noble Goal but NOBLE ACHEIVMENT.

    I wish I could find another. This is a Holland made near me in Renton, WA. I think the guy has retired and no longer makes them. SAD

    I have adjusted the exposure of this photo to highlight the reinforcement.

    If anyone runs across such a fine holster, I would love to know.
     

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  12. wittmeba

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    KG7IL - there are a couple mfgs that I think would be in this league. Don't know if there is something really special about yours but check out some of these.

    Del Fatti http://www.delfatti.com/ - awesome looking leather with various reinforcements pieces.

    C5 Leather http://www.c5leather.com/Terms.html - another very nice looking leather with reinforcement.

    Hazel Leathers http://www.hazelleather.com/ - another very beautiful holster.

    Haugen Leather http://www.haugenhandgunleather.com/ - another ...

    There are several more but these always catch my eye. About any with the word Leather in the name are pretty cool to me. Go thru the list (in my sig) and see what you like.
     
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  13. KG7IL

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    The only thing 'special' is that it is compact, very compact
    It does have a large belt loop in the back, but not much other leather beyond the form-fitting holster. Everything else seems to have half-a-cow hanging out the sides.
     
  14. therewolf

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    I often wind up doing adjustments upon my holsters and slings.

    I use braided 20 Lb fishing line, and sail needles. Thimbles, scraps

    of leather for forcing the needle through. Sometimes the holes

    need to be piloted. But it works well on most ballistic nylon and

    leather. Kydex is a whole other ball game.
     
  15. Rick1967

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    I am an IPDA Safety Officer. Sweeping your hand or just about any part of your body is an automatic DQ. I have seen people do it after the load and make ready command when they re-holster the loaded weapon.
     
  16. wittmeba

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    Rick, I'm naive. Why is it an automatic DQ? Not disagreeing just learning. Not having to sweep the holster supports some of my concerns and arguments for certain types of holsters.
     
  17. Rick1967

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    It is simply a safety issue. Sweeping your own hand with the muzzle of a loaded gun is a huge safety hazard. We have rules so that no one shoots themselves.
     
  18. wittmeba

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    I assume you are referring to putting your free hand in front of the muzzle for any reason - NO NO.