holster questions

Discussion in 'Concealed Carrying & Personal Protection' started by endobro, Apr 1, 2014.

  1. endobro

    endobro New Member

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    I have a Beretta PX4 compact. After I get my concealed carry permit i will be the handgun I carry.

    So I need some opinions on types of holsters Ano/or carry positions.

    Also I found a guy locally that can make a kydex holster for me for 35. Is that a good price and is that a good material?

    Thank for tge help
     
  2. wittmeba

    wittmeba New Member

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    There are basically 5 types of materials I'm familiar with.
    - Leather
    - Ballistic Nylon
    - Kydex
    - Injection molded polys
    - Elastic bands

    $35.00 is very reasonable for most Kydex holsters especially if he makes you what you want.

    How do you think you want to carry? IWB (inside the waistband), OWB (outside the waistband), either can be concealed by a long tail shirt or coat.


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    http://gotnarcosis.com/brucewittmeier/technical/Holsters.html
     

  3. endobro

    endobro New Member

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    Im thinking IWB but im open to suggestions but for $35 I might do both. Any opinions on kydex.
     
  4. wittmeba

    wittmeba New Member

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    IWB allows two options - Tuckable and non-tuckable. Tuckable to me is a more difficult option to fill. There are lots of non-tuckable options in about every material available.

    IMO - the most compact will by a one-piece Kydex with the clip molded as an extension of the shell.
    One piece for Glock:
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    I have a Kydex shell on an AlienGear leather hybrid. I also have the Blade-Tech Revolution injection molded that comes with the M&P Range Carry kit.

    The Kydex is like another skin on the gun. Fits very well. Kydex fits fine too but the belt attachment and paddle don't hold the gun against my side as well as I like.

    I just this morning (Sat) ordered two more holsters - DeSantis Sof-Tuck for IWB (it has a single clip) and a Gould 3 slot pancake for OWB. It too can suffice for concealed carry with a long shirt or coat which is how it will be worn sometimes. My struggle is looking for an easy-to-use and tuckable IWB holster. The AG is awesome - just a little difficult to make it look right tucked. But I'm getting better.

    Take a look at Zombie and Rubicon for simple designs.
     
  5. TekGreg

    TekGreg Lifetime Supporting Member Lifetime Supporter

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    Endobro, there are more than a few "best holster" threads on FTF that you might consider reading to further your education. However, let me short-form my personal experiences in carry. Keeping a gun secured and/or hidden on your body is a high priority and should be taken seriously. If your gun "prints" badly or, worse yet, falls to the ground, you may lose your permit and/or firearm and possibly your privilege to carry ever again in your jurisdiction. This makes your choice of a carry rig as important as the choice of weapon.

    A carry rig is only as good as its foundation. In this case, that's the belt you mount it on. It should be 1-1/2" wide, very thick leather or leather layered with stiff reinforcements. It must hold the holster tightly against your body and not slouch or bend outward. This should run $60-120 on average. Example here. EDIT: there are Nylon Instructor Belts that are stiffened with Kydex and can be used as well. The main requirement is that it is stiff and holds the gun's weight without moving or sagging.

    The holster is the next step. The choice between leather and Kydex should be a matter of comfort and how well the holster hides and also presents the weapon for drawing, as well as how comfortably it rides all day. Too many people with a heat gun and some heavy books claim they can make Kydex holsters by wrapping a sheet around the gun and slapping some hardware on, but have no concept of the complexity of cant, retention, weight distribution and ergonomics. Making a Kydex holster is child's play - making a Kydex holster that is comfortable, stays in place, releases crisply and smoothly and you want to bet your life on is a whole different matter. This is not the place to use price as the highest determining factor. Examples here. Also keep in mind that leather holsters and manufacturing methods are advanced from even ten years ago and are not the huge, heavy holsters of yesteryear. Do not overlook them in your evaluation. Example here.

    To sum it up, after spending hours and days researching which gun to purchase to trust your life with, it makes no sense to carry it in a one-size-fits-all rig from Wal-Mart. Your carry permit is dependent on the gun remaining hidden, and so may your social standing. I carried for over a decade with no one in my church, at work or out in public ever knowing I was armed with a double-stack .45 because it had the proper rig. To me, it makes no sense to carry a $700 gun in a $30 holster on a $12.98 Wally World belt. That's equivalent to driving a Ferrari on re-tread tires! Both are doomed to failure and will be quite uncomfortable while waiting for the inevitable failure.

    Also consider that most complaints of "uncomfortable" carry are improper holster and/or belt fit. You need to carry every day for at least three weeks to have it become a habit, and many stop after two or three days because it's too heavy or doesn't feel right or it digs into their side. The only good gun is the one you have on you, so anything that causes you to remove it and leave it behind in the car or house can kill you. Don't let a poor rig choice cost you your life.
     
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  6. JW357

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    Good advice so far. Some more to think about:

    Generally IWB conceal better than OWB, whereas OWB is more comfortable than IWB.

    Leather / kydex hybrid holsters such as a Galco King Tuk, or Old Faithful, etc, are in my opinion the best of both worlds. They conceal well and distribute the weight in such a way that they are comfortable, relative to just a single piece of kydex.

    You can buy an Old Faithful holster kit that you assemble yourself for about $35-40 on their website.

    Just my two pennies thrown into the pot.
     
  7. KG7IL

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    Material wise. I have tried several materials. Kydex, Ballistic Nylon, Leather.
    Kydex is just kinda cheesy, but seems to work and have a following. I have one for the Glock. Glock and Kydex stay at home. cheesy...
    I will use a ballistic nylon for a smith 36 and snake shot. A bit of padding seems to make the 36 happy and I'm not quick drawing a snake.

    Leather..... ah..... Leather... I have Galco, Bianchi and Holland.. (and more of course), but love these as far as off the shelf units.

    I am a fan of a simple belt holster, so leather works fine.

    So.... it really comes down to you. what you want and remember. AND THIS IS IMPORTANT..... you can always buy another holster if you don't like your previous pick.

    The sharp guys before me made the points.

    My important points
    * Distributes and Carries weight.
    * Retains Firearm well
    * Provides a small package for easy concealment.
    * Minimizes bulk so it's easy to work in / with.
    * Durable Material that holds up to my abuse.
    * Leather, Leather, Leather. .

    Don't let my opinions affect your decision, but this works for me.

    This is a Holland, no longer made, Stinger is close, but no model for your PX4

    http://www.galcogunleather.com/stinger-belt-holster_8_4_1301.html
     

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  8. TekGreg

    TekGreg Lifetime Supporting Member Lifetime Supporter

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    An experience with two neighbors of mine catalyzed my thinking on holsters. One of them loved guns loved shooting and then decided he wanted to CCW. He paid for the class, paid for the background check, waited for his permit, then, as soon as he got it, he bought a $14.95 Nylon Uncle Mike's holster and slid it on his $12.98 Wal-Mart belt. He wore that for three days, on and off, and then decided that "concealed carry wasn't for him." He hated the way it rode, the fact that it was hard to conceal, and was generally uncomfortable while sitting because it moved all over the place. He completely gave up on carry because of his $27.93 carry rig and a commitment of three full days. A quality rig would have given him a completely different outlook.

    The other had a no-name, low-quality nylon holster that he carried a 1911 in. He was in a busy, popular restaurant during lunch when he entered a bathroom stall to do his business. While unfastening his pants, his holster flopped over, dropping his cocked-and-locked Colt onto the tiles with a loud clatter and sending it sliding through the other stalls next to him. One man ran out of the restroom and informed the manager who called the police before he could get his pants up and recover it. Police arrived and spoke to him, ran the gun, and said they'd be filing a report with his issuing CCW agency. It did not help his reputation with the restaurant, his boss who was also at lunch and didn't know he carried, or the client they were entertaining. His penny-wise holster almost cost him his privilege to carry, his job and/or his client, all because he spent no money or thought on his carry rig.

    Stories like these abound and have made me think as much about the rig as the gun. You will never hear a professional shooter such as Jerry Mikulek tell you, "Save your money on the carry rig. Make it as cheap as possible as quality doesn't matter here." Don't become one of these unfortunates that didn't think and could possibly pay the ultimate price for it.
     
  9. JimRau

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    I have learned from my own experience and experience of MANY others who CCW that there is no 'right' holster for you. You will have to try several and see which one is 'best/right' for you. ;)
     
  10. wittmeba

    wittmeba New Member

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    As Jim mentions, he is right. After my two on order arrive, I'll have 4. Still only 1 gun :) I was warned - I better find a box.
     
  11. John_Deer

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    I have a nice leather IWB holster made by Tagua Gunleather. Tagua leather holsters are made of bridle quality leather. My holster cost $35 plus shipping.

    I also have a Blackhawk OWB nylon paddle holster. I can conceal a medium size pistol in either holster wearing nothing but a T shirt and shorts. When I am really concerned about concealing the pistol I use a belly band holster.

    Of the three holsters the Blackhawk paddle holster is the most comfortable. The OWB paddle holster is also the most vulnerable to accidental exposure.
    http://taguagunleather.com/new/iph-inside-the-pants-holster-p32

    Lots of people insist on paying $120 for a gun quality belt. Quite often you can find the exact belt made by a tool company for half price. Contrary to popular belief a tool quality belt is stiffer and stronger than a gun belt. Most tool belts are designed to carry a 35 lb load. Tool belts are one thick shank of saddle quality leather. Most gun belts are made of bridle quality leather or several thin layers of leather/kydex which is what you get in a Walmart tool belt for $20

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  12. Gh0zt36

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    just my .02

    I really like IWB appendix @ about 12:30 . You draw upto line of sight and pushout in a very natural straight line. and are on target even before you push out . However motto of appendix carry is " if you f@#kup , you die " because if you have a ND during appendix draw you generally fire right into your femoral artery and will bleed out before EMS arrive. And if loaded with SD HP if in the unlikely event EMS was next door already an can make it to you HP shred your femoral down the long axis making the injury un repairable.

    I'm not at all trying to scare you away from appendix carry but just trying to highlight how important it is you practice until propper draw is automatic. That being said appendix is the most natural draw and quickest on target when concealed imho .

    So if you do chose appendix. PRACTICE PRACTICE PRACTICE. And with an empty gun and train your trigger finger to not only be out side the trigger guard but actually off the gun until you push out.

    If you chose another form of cary practice is still important . practice empty gun drawing. I carry either a revolver or my glock . The glock is always condition 0 . And is mega important to train with finger off the gun appendix .
     
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  13. wittmeba

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    JD - that image looks like Tagua's. What is your gun and can you carry with shorts? My M&P won't cut it for carry with shorts with elastic bands...too much weight even with a paddle which I have for a Blade-Tech.
     
  14. DrFootball

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    I'm actually writing an article on Holsters. Glad I stopped into this thread.
    The only Nylon holsters I have are either Shoulder Rigs, Pocket Rigs or Drop-legs. Anything IWB or OWB has to be Leather for me, and my Favorite Shoulder Rig is also leather. I've got a triple Stitched belt slide I just got on Sunday, that will handle any Compact to medium framed Autoloader, and also comes with a belt clip as well as the slots, so it can be worn left or right, IWB or OWB,..$17.50(reduced).
    If the Nylon is well made it can be used in a Shoulder or Chest rig, but it must be rigidly reinforced. My favorite IWB is my DeSantis Insider, which I think was $30 two years ago. I have some very good Bridle level leather belts. DO NOT carry IWB with a stretch mesh or service style Canvas or nylon web belt!!! The Gun will sag!! As I've dropped Weight, I have added notch holes on the belt with a punch. I agree you should NEVER skimp on a belt or Holster, BUT, that should not preclude you from shopping around for a good deal.
    I feel the main things to look for are "Quality Design and Construction" and compatibly with numerous belts or Rigging systems. The other thing to consider, if the Gun is compact enough are the Sneaky Pete/Bulldog Cell phone types of rigs, or the concealment bag types, of which I also have 2 of. One is a simple small leather man bag I added a holster to with two pieces of Velcro, one stitched into the bag and the other on the Holster, and a larger one with a tablet pocket, an open general pocket and two smaller front ones, the larger of those two carries one of two pocket holsters, and a Tri-Pocket mag pouch insert, along with my Mini flashlight, tactical pen, regular pens, emergency meds and personal First Aid kit,. and a few other items.


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  15. endobro

    endobro New Member

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    Thanks for all the great responses I will start to sift through all this information and see what I can decide on. And will definitely post any more questions that I have.
     
  16. Gh0zt36

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    If I run into that situation often I just wear a belt around my waist under the shorts and hang my gun from that . Feels a bit different but not uncomfortable.
     
  17. wittmeba

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    I have tried this too but too uncomfortable - at least the first attempt. I wear elastic waistband shorts and sweats a lot so I need to reconsider. It would be nice to have that option.
     
  18. wittmeba

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  19. DrFootball

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    The Gentleman Makes them in his Home in Jerome Az.(just up the "Hill" from Me). I've been doing Yardwork today, so when I get a chance I will Snap a Pic...
    Normally he charges $20. We got them for 17.50 each(my Friend and I)

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  20. wittmeba

    wittmeba New Member

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    Off topic: Yard work in Az? No such thing. Everyone has natural landscaping...cactus! We actually had grass in Tucson back in 1978-80.

    Just Googled your area. We are having our next Vietnam Commo Platoon Reunion in Sedona in Nov of 2014 right in your back yard. My brother lives in Mesa and we will visit him too.