Hk 94

Discussion in 'Auto & Semi-Auto Discussion' started by jakeball, Apr 8, 2014.

  1. jakeball

    jakeball New Member

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    Looking at getting an mp5/ hk 94 as an sbr and suppressor ready.
    It would be a big help if you can through in your input.

    Only want input from those who own or shoot the gun extensively, thanks!


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  2. JonM

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    good luck...

    parts and magazines arent terribly common and damn pricey when you find them.

    the mp5sd is a dream to to shoot but i wouldnt want to own one just because of the difficulty in getting parts.

    most police agencies moved away from hk i think due to shoddy support structure. hk support after the sale isnt exactly steller.

    anyway they are fun and accurate guns reliability in terms of longevity of parts not so much. friend of mine has a full auto mp5sd and he is always waiting on some dinky part or other. its like a jaguar or ferrari great driving vehicle when its actually running. my friend's doesnt jam or fte or ftf until something breaks.

    if i was going to 9mm carbine i would opt for the rra 9mm ar15 now THOSE are a hoot. i got the pleasure of shooting a colt 9mm smg once, years ago and its even sweeter than a mp5sd.
     

  3. jakeball

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    No fan of the ar platform but thanks.


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  4. seancslaughter

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    I have shot a military mp5sd and when properly tuned and maintained they are a dream, but like JonM said they are finicky and when something goes wrong you will be searching for months for parts and when you do find them they cost an arm or a leg. I have only ever shot one clone of the mp5 and that was a bobcat and it did work flawlessly, but the downside is the price. The clones are gonna be easily $2k+ and a real HK just a parts kit will easily cost $3k and you would still need a reciever which will cost around $1500. I understand wanting one and wish you the best of luck looking for one. FWIW though I would check into some more modern SBR/Subguns if your gonna spend that type of money I would want something that if something did break it would only be a quick looksee on google to find an inexpensive part band get it operational whereas it might take months to get an MP5 back up. Like I said I wish you luck in your endeavor.
     
  5. jakeball

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    Whats your suggestion on a fun platform then?

    Requirements:
    Sbr/small package
    Threaded barrel
    Prefer pistol cartridges (9mm mainly)
    No ar platform
    Cost of rifle 4k or less
    Replacement part easily found/ reasonably priced


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  6. JonM

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    Ruling out the ar based versions there really aren't any. Kriss vector is pretty popular but it uses crappy glock mags (huge weak point in the system). Uzi is another one but its pretty damn heavy. Short-sterling is very dated but its the gun that storm troopers carried and pretty cool looking if your into star wars

    There are some more modern ones from companies like beretta and a few others but are severely neutered for import and lack most of the features you want.

    Is there a reason for the anti ar platform because other than what we covered above there really aren't much here in america. We just aren't geared to subgun use like it is in asia and europe.

    If you do go mp5/hk94 I suggest research parts because the 94 isn't really imported.
     
  7. JonM

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    One other thing.

    The biggest issue with smg types is the magazine. There are only so many ways to make a 20-30 round pistol caliber magazine work well. This is always the sticking point.

    The best designed mags are the uzi mags the worst are the glock mags. Uzi pretty much copied the sten mag which was based off the thompson design.

    One of the reasons I haven't bothered with a kriss is your forced to use glock mags which tend to have issues the closer it gets to twenty and above. That's why they ship with low capacity ones.

    Anyway I would concentrate on something that uses a sten/uzi/colt/thompson type design if your looking at 9mm or 45.

    The cz skorpion is a hoot but its chambered in .32... kinda disapointing. They do turn up new from time to time.

    If you don't mind loading ammo there is also the russian ppsh. Used to be easy to get tokarev ammo but not so much nwadays and is quickly becoming a reload only cartridge.
     
  8. seancslaughter

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    Modern I'd say ps90 it's a 5.7 round though and the Kriss vector which is pretty sweet . Older models Uzi, Mac 10-11, Suomi, sten, Thompson, m3 grease gun and a couple others if you can find them. If you don't totally rule out the ar platform you could build a car-9 they are awesome. There is not too many modern sub machine guns available here because even though people want them the barrel length is prohibitive unless you wanna sbr and pay the tax and invite the ATF to visit whenever they want


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  9. JonM

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    That's a myth.

    The atf cannot come see you when ever if your stamp owner. That treat is reserved solely for ffl types and even then they don't just pop in unannounced.

    Possession of a nfa stamp does not waive your right to freedom from illegal search and siezure.
     
  10. seancslaughter

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    Go to gunbroker and search smg then sort by price high to low they got some cool ones
    I know job I just haven't figured out how to use green text on my iPhone lol

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  11. jakeball

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    Friend turned me to a good one sig mpx. 6.5 barrel 9.5 fixed muzzle brake doubles as baffles an additional 300 for the sleeve and you got a suppressed carbine. 9mm 357 sig and 40s&w. Looks like a real good contender.


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  12. JonM

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    Is it available for civilian sale??

    Most of these new smg are le only.

    Nm i see there is supposed to be a semi carbine version. But this is like the colt smg and rra carbines as its built off sig's ar15 piston design
     
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  13. seancslaughter

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    Yeah that's what I was gonna say is it's an ar platform you can even see it has an ar charging handle lol. For $2k+ I would rather build my own you could build several of the older smg's from parts kits for the cost of that thing


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  14. jakeball

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    No not exactly an ar, it has similar controls but its very different. Plus if i wanna add a can to the end it wont add a single inch the the length of the gun.


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  15. SSGN_Doc

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    It would be nice to know what is disliked about the AR platform in pistol caliber. If a Sig will work, why not another brand of AR?

    If the complaint is the AR gas system, then it needs to be understood that the gas system doesn't come into play in the pistol cal ARs, which are blow-back operated with a different bolt set-up as well.

    One of the nicest setups I've shot was an AR in 9mm with integrally suppressed upper. It used Uzi mags through a semi-permanently mounted mag block/adapter.

    I am an MP5 fan, but enjoyed the 9mm AR more.
     
  16. seancslaughter

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    here you go class III MP5SD for sale http://www.autoweapons.com/photos12/jul/775mp5sd.html if your gonna get one might as well try to go all the way. I am sure there are other manufacturers that will come out with new model SMG's soon if the people want one the whole problem is the barrel length issue no one wants a kriss vector with a 16 inch barrel and most people wont go the extra mile and additional $200 to get an SBR model
     
  17. JonM

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    How do you figure that it won't add length. You screw any suppressor on the threaded muzzle its going to add length. Unless I'm missing something.

    Its also identical except in caliber to their piston ar15. The magwell is sized down and sculpted a bit but its the same gun.
     
  18. seancslaughter

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    I think he means its a sleeve type suppressor that surrounds the barrel and the muzzle brake on there is designed as additional baffles. Or I could be totally wrong on that lol
     
  19. jakeball

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    Yeah its a sleeve going around the brake, but just found out the gun could be scrapped. Atf regulations say the gun has silencer components. So who knows what will happen


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