hk 91 vs fnh SCAR 17

Discussion in 'General Rifle Discussion' started by Ultimate_sig, Sep 6, 2013.

  1. Ultimate_sig

    Ultimate_sig New Member

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    If this two were boxing in a ring who would win? which one will last longer, which one is more accurate, if shtf which would you grab first?
     
  2. JonM

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    scar17 no question. its not even a contest
     

  3. Ultimate_sig

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    Just curious because I watched a YouTube review on the hk and the guy was talking it up and said this rifle is rugged and will outlast any effing(fn pun) polymer rifle
     
  4. JonM

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    hk91 isnta that great a rifle. they are rather delicate and dont stand up to abuse very well. when they do break you better have a armorer's bench handy to get it working again.

    scar 17 only need a couple of punches and a hex wrench to do anything you need to do to it to affect repairs in the field. its got FN's outstanding full chromed hammer forged barrels. while neither has readily available parts in the US you are at least semi likely to find scar parts here and there that WILL fit the gun in a plug and play role. the hk91 not all parts are equal from gun to gun depending on which importer assembled it.

    hk91 is a total skip to me. i wold sooner go FAL or M1A or even a mosin 91/30 than a hk91

    this is what my scar17 does at 100 yards top hole is three shots bottom two are getting the acog sighted in

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    using handloads its quite capable of 1/3 moa at 100yards
     
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  5. Ultimate_sig

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    So that top hole is there shots....that's incredible
     
  6. kbd512

    kbd512 Well-Known Member Lifetime Supporter

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    I owned a real HK-91, but when I shot it it seemed to own me.

    I still own the SCAR 17S.

    The HK-91 is not very ergonomic, heavy, muzzle heavy which is even worse, and recoil control is far, far worse than with the SCAR 17S.

    The HK-91 is a decently accurate rifle, but it's not in the same league as a SCAR 17S or properly built M-14.

    Steel may be more durable than polymer and aluminum, but the SCAR was purpose built for special forces and if there were durability problems with the rifle someone in combat would have discovered that the hard way. Although there may be some SF guy out there putting down bad guys with his trusty G-3, it's probably a pretty safe bet that a lot more of them are armed with Mk-17's.

    On JonM's note about the Mosin, I can attest that even a Mosin Nagant has less violent recoil than a HK-91. If you don't believe that, go out and shoot both of them side-by-side.
     
  7. JonM

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    aluminum recievers of proper grade of aluminum have proven far far more durable and stronger in firearms than stamped sheet steel. sheet steel is very easy to dent and on HK series its particularly vulnerable to denting. so much so units that were issued hk91 were also issued special forming blocks to remove the dents they would get that would sideline the things.
     
  8. JonM

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    its a VERY accurate rifle when using match grade handloads. off the shelf ammo like typical 147 grain fmj its a 1 inch to 1.5inch gun. ive never seen anything i couldnt squeeze less than 2inch groups out of.

    my hunting load is hornady 150grain amax and its about a .8 moa loading at 100yards. i couldnt be more happier with the gun. now all that shooting was done with a stock trigger i recently upgraded to the giesselle super scar trigger system but havent had a chance to try it out.
     
  9. 1911love

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    I've got a 91/30 and can't believe a 91 kicks more! 10-20 rounds of 203gr soft point and my shoulder hurts, I've never shot a 91 though. I would think a semi would kick less, I wonder why it has so much recoil according to you guys who have shot both.
     
  10. TheSadPanda

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    They might be naturally over-gassed for "functionality purposes"
     
  11. kbd512

    kbd512 Well-Known Member Lifetime Supporter

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    HK-91's don't use gas at all for their operation, they're roller lockers... roller delayed blowback.

    The weight of the bolt, crude design of the buffer assembly, power of the cartridge, and violence of the roller locking action is what causes the resultant recoil.
     
  12. TheSadPanda

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    Ahhhhh ok. My bad. Sorry for the misinformation :(

    I had actually meant to phrase my first comment as a question, but i clearly failed at that. So it came off like i knew what i was talking about, which is rarely the case :rollseyes:
     
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  13. Ultimate_sig

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    Well I have a hk 91 ptr and was going to get rid of it and get a scar but hell I can't find one.
     
  14. JonM

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    Yeah finding one is tough. Finding one that is under 3k is twice as hard. I paid 2400 before the election. I know a source up here in wisconsin that has them frequently at a reasonable charge . Midwest industries but they don't sell their guns online. Only out of their store front
     
  15. Ultimate_sig

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    How much are they
     
  16. JonM

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    last time i saw one there was about three weeks ago at 2900
     
  17. kbd512

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    I've seen SCAR-17S rifles advertised on GunBroker for between 2.5K and 2.7K. The FDE rifles are priced higher than the black rifles, but it's the exact same gun in all other respects.

    A real HK-91 will set you back at least that much.
     
  18. Ultimate_sig

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    What's the difference between the scar 17s and the 17h
     
  19. kbd512

    kbd512 Well-Known Member Lifetime Supporter

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    I'm not aware of a 17H model (although I have seen prototype heavy barrel Mk20 variants called SCAR-17H by gun writers). The 17S is the civilian semi-auto only variant of the military/law enforcement select-fire Mk17. The Mk20 has a longer, heavier barrel for sniping and a different upper receiver design that extends beyond the gas block for mounting accessories like the UNS and laser rangerfinders and target designators (typically high powered IR lasers for painting targets for munitions and to point out targets to other operators). FN will, supposedly, release a civilian Mk20 variant in 2013 or 2014.

    I just want a redesigned plastic lower that accepts SR-25 magazines so I can use PMAG's with the rifle. A 20" lightweight "long barrel" conversion would also be nice. It only adds 5 or 6 ounces to the weight of the weapon.
     
  20. samnev

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    I've owned 2 early HK 91. One with the slim forearm the 2nd with the wider forearm. They are reasonably accurate for a battle rifle but not on the same planet in terms of accuracy with the SCAR 17. As said before they are muzzle heavy and have a much harder recoil impulse than the Scar 17. I no longer own either of the HK 91's. So my choice would be the SCAR 17.