Hints of executive orders

Discussion in 'Legal and Activism' started by CourtJester, Jan 9, 2013.

  1. CourtJester

    CourtJester Active Member

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  2. JAD

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    What I understand he can ban all imports of guns and ammo with an executive order. Most anything else wouldn't be legal
     

  3. nitestalker

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    How long would it take the congress to act against Obama? He can declare anything and it could take years to change it. Lincoln his Hero shut down printing presses and put newmen in prison. And that was in the Northern states.:eek:
     
  4. Mosin

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    I think he can do anything through executive order. It can be fought in the courts which will take years...

    Don't forget FDR banned the private ownership of gold with a mandatory 10 year prison sentence...

    He did that with an executive order.
     
  5. JAD

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    Sad times we live in where a president thinks he is king and the people do nothing. Do your worst obama, we deserve it.
     
  6. John_Deer

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    I don't see how the president can ban the import of anything by executive order. In time such an order would be challenged in court and defeated.

    What he can do is empower branches of the existing government or give/take their funding. The president can allow existing branches of the government to share information or even share certain tasks. In the focus of gun ownership, he can influence how background checks are done.
     
  7. CA357

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    The problem with this is that the Supreme Court hasn't adjudicated for years; they create laws. This means that if the Socialist in Chief uses EO's it's damn near written in stone. Court challenges just burn up time while the sheep get used to new laws. To add insult to injury, We the People get to pay for all the governments lawyers.
     
  8. Garadex

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    I do not like what is happening. I hope it doesn't come to a civil war but this psychopath needs to learn he is not the king! I will not sit around and be screwed over, I may not be able to vote yet but I can fight if that is what it breaks down to.
     
  9. locutus

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    No, he isn't the vking. He's THE CALIPH
     
  10. mboylan

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    EOs are not laws, they are law enforcement policies. The only thing I could see as an EO would be expanding the databases used for the NICS background check.
     
  11. AIKIJUTSU

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    Watch for the situation with the crazies doing more and more public shootings. Likely encouraged online by feds who scan the web for these idiots posting their fantasies. Then the feds give them encouragement and support to get them to do it. After a few more, our Mafioso-in-chief will declare martial law, and establish himself as dictator for life. May his life be short.
     
  12. locutus

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    Are you refrring to the "Holy Caliph?"

    Hussien Ali Obama?(May Allah bless his name)

    Surely you blaspheme!:p:p
     
  13. robertb6112

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    Rand Paul said him and others in congress will fight any executive order from Obama that infringes on the 2nd amendment. And my local representative told me a executive order is highly illegal but he was pretty certain Obama will go through with one
     
  14. rocshaman

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    Just listened to Obama's news conference and here is a transcript of it. You'll have to scroll down to read the parts on gun control. He sounded uncomfortable talking about it and backpedaling a bit. Not enough in my view though. I would have posted the pertinent parts but I'm on my phone. Maybe one of you guys on a home computer could.

    http://m.washingtonpost.com/politic...c1a690-5e65-11e2-90a0-73c8343c6d61_story.html
     
  15. AIKIJUTSU

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    If that's blasphemy, I'll take my chances and continue to do so. :)
     
  16. StainlessSteel215

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    Congress likely wont pass any of the bills on the table....yet....so hold on folks as the President was said to have a decision by Tuesday
     
  17. CourtJester

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    I agree with you 100% on this only thing I will add is by the time the Supreme Court has to decide he would have made sure the odds are in his favor one way or another. they are smart and they see how much **** they get away with so why not push for a lil more and see what happens
     
  19. AIKIJUTSU

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    I found this comment in NBC News as a reply to an article about how "scared" the residents of Oakland, Ca have become about gang shootings...

    Drug
    dealers and criminals love gun bans...

    Dear
    President Obama,

    Let
    me begin by saying that you can count on us to support your efforts in
    disarming American citizens in any way we can.

    The
    Fast and Furious operation backfired a bit in this regard, but I’m glad to see
    it hasn’t stopped you.

    As
    you know, we are making inroads on US soil. We’ve set up significant operations
    in the Southwest, one area where armed citizens can be a bit of trouble to us,
    especially if they own land we cross or are adjacent to.

    We
    view their disarming with a positive attitude. I would say your basic
    gun-grabbing strategy is primarily aimed at the American West. The border
    states need to be cleaned out. The fewer people there who have guns
    (particularly those with high-capacity clips), the easier it is for us.

    But
    since our drug trafficking lines take in most of America, wherever citizens
    aren’t armed we’re generally in better shape.

    I’m
    pleasantly surprised that media in your country haven’t pressed you to name the
    areas where most gun violence is taking place. After all, if your objective is
    to reduce that violence, you would think a campaign directed at gangs in inner
    cities would rank number one on your to-do list.

    Those
    areas and those gangs do subcontracting work for us (and other Mexican
    cartels). Leaving them in place is a priority for us. So congratulations on
    being able to skirt this tricky issue. Your cojones are, indeed, huge.

    Please
    pass along my thanks to Brian Williams, Scott Pelley, and Diane Sawyer. I assume
    they are in your pocket and carrying your message. Undoubtedly, they are also
    refraining from bringing up the gang issue. Whenever I speak with the president
    of Mexico, I point out your masterly and deft control of media as a model we
    should emulate.

    Now
    to the real reason I’m writing. In Chicago, your crime stronghold, one of our
    people is on trial. This is a sensitive matter, as you know.

    Whenever I speak with
    the president of Mexico, I point out your masterly and deft control of media as
    a model we should emulate.

    Now
    to the real reason I’m writing. In Chicago, your crime stronghold, one of our
    people is on trial. This is a sensitive matter, as you know.

    The
    defendant, Jesus Vicente Zambada-Niebla, wants to expose our arrangement. This
    must not happen. So far, your DEA and CIA have managed to gain trial delays.

    Niebla
    and his lawyers are ready to offer documents that show the Sinaloa has US
    federal permission to ship tons of drugs into Chicago, and from there to other
    distribution points in the US.

    Niebla
    will reveal this deal was made so that Sinaloa would provide valuable
    information on our rival cartels to the DEA and the FBI.

    Therefore,
    Niebla will point out that he has special immunity from prosecution. That was
    part of the deal for high-ranking Sinaloa members.

    Fortunately,
    his trial hasn’t been played up in the American press. Again, well done.
    Coverage has been stifled. It’s stayed on the back burner, and the CIA and DEA
    are claiming no such immunity deal exists for Niebla.

    But
    at the same time, the CIA has been making motions in court to have documents
    excluded from the trial on the basis of National Security.

    This
    is a gross tip-off to our deal, and it doesn’t sit well with me. It’s awkward.
    I’m sure you agree, Mr. President.

    The
    last thing we need here is exposure, especially while you’re pushing forward
    your gun-grabbing program.

    Sinaloa
    has members and agents and sub-contractors operating all over the US, and
    naturally these people are armed. They not only sell drugs, they shoot people.
    We can’t control everything they do.

    They
    get into intramural squabbles and use their weapons to settle disagreements.
    Bodies pile up. Sometimes, innocent people are killed.

    Our
    subcontractors commit unrelated crimes that have nothing to do with drugs. They
    rob, they steal, they shoot, they kill.

    If
    it comes out that Sinaloa and all its component parts, operating within US
    borders, are contributing mightily to high gun-violence statistics—

    And
    if it comes out that Sinaloa has a special arrangement to do business in the US
    without fear of disruption—

    Your
    gun-grabbing program and our operations will both be in dire jeopardy.

    And
    the blow-up in the press will be catastrophic for both of us.

    You
    and I understand this is just business, but other people don’t see it that way.

    Therefore,
    Mr. President, I’m stating, in the strongest terms possible, that the Niebla
    trial in Chicago has to be shut down, one way or another.

    Either
    a quiet plea deal has to be struck, or we will be forced to do something
    drastic. Soon.

    If
    I’m reading you right, and I believe I am, your gun-grabbing program is just
    one step in an Operation Chaos aimed at destabilizing your country.

    In
    the past, we have contributed to that agenda, and we continue to do so. We
    don’t pretend to understand this whole game at its higher levels, but to us
    that doesn’t matter. We’re in business to make money and sell product.

    We
    support you.

    And
    we expect you to support us.

    Congratulations
    on achieving a second term in office. Please pass along my regards to President
    Bush, his father, and President Clinton.

    By
    the way, in case you weren’t briefed on the specifics of the Aurora and Sandy
    Hook shootings, I want to state, unequivocally, that no Sinaloa member provided
    professional services in those operations, which were obviously aimed at
    provoking a successful follow-up gun-control program.

    Yours
    truly,

    XXXXXX

    CEO,
    Sinaloa
     
  20. AIKIJUTSU

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    We have at least one Congressman on our side.This was in a NBC news article on the web today:

    Freshman Rep. Steve Stockman, R-Texas, has even threatened to introduce articles of impeachment.

    "Any proposal to abuse executive power and infringe upon gun rights must be repelled with the stiffest legislative force possible,” he said in a statement. “Under no circumstances whatsoever may the government take any action that disarms any peaceable person — much less without due process through an executive declaration without a vote of Congress or a ruling of a court.”