High power rifle for home defense

Discussion in 'The Club House' started by Moss99, Sep 29, 2009.

  1. Moss99

    Moss99 New Member

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    So I had a good friend of mine ask me a question about firearms tonight that I usually would be able to answer no sweat (aside from 'smithing JD, Bear...).

    He owns a few hunting rifles (.22-250, .243, 300 mag) and is one of the hundreds who are unemployed, so money is tight. He just moved to an apartment (not exactly a great part of town) since he and his family couldn't afford their house anymore. He is absolutely against selling any one of his precious rifles and asked me what I would use as a HD high power rifle round. This is the part where I had absolutely no clue what to tell him. I've had my pistol for as long as I can remember, thus, never thought of using an over penetrating, super velocity rifle as a "defensive" solution. Now, being the awesome friend I am, I told him he could borrow my P99 after my 1911 comes in, which may be weeks, months, or days.

    My question to you is this... If all you had was a rifle, what kind of ammo would you use? Keep in mind he lives in an apartment so extreme expansion and the least penetration is key. I have researched and glasers are not available in his calibers.

    Thank you for your insight.
     
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  2. dunerunner

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    Good question!! And I don't know??? I believe I would find a way to get a low cost pistol, like High Point's 9mm. Their 9mm Carbine is inexpensive as well.
     

  3. davemccarthy707

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    He is responsible for any round fired.Believe me a 22-250 can take down a caribou, that's mostly what the Inuit use for a hunting rifle. I personally would not fire a rifle at an intruder. Tell him to go find an old Maverick 12ga for 100bucks.
     
  4. Moss99

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    I appreciate the solutions for purchasing an alternative weapon. I assure you I have offered him the alternatives, I offered to buy him a $185 NEF pardner pump down at Gander, but being the proud, stubborn, former infantry member that he is, he has absolutely refused. Now, call me selfish and/but I do live in a better part of town, and I did offer him my P99 after i'm able to pick up my 1911, but I will not take the chance of being in my house with my #1 squeeze (fiancee) without protection.

    Please keep this simple, there are NO other solutions. Just a rifle.

    Thank you.
     
  5. IGETEVEN

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    Trade or sell that .22-250 for a 12 gauge Tactical Mossy 500 shotty and a Ruger 10/22. That way he has a good HD weapon and a decent small varmint plinker. :)

    JACK
     
  6. JiroZero713

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    I believe if he wants it to not go through walls he would have to either use Hollow points or soft lead bullets....otherwise he really just needs to get a shotgun or revolver.
     
  7. dunerunner

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    After all is said, if he won't part with any of his rifles and won't take the loan of $185 then buy him a ball bat and wish him luck.

    It's a life and perhaps the life of someone he cares about. If he shoots an intruder with one of those cannons, he might just wind up in jail if the shot causes injury to an innocent in another apartment a block away.
     
  8. toolman

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    If you or your friend reloads, I'd suggest these: Products .
    A lot of folks will argue against handloads for SD, but depending on your geographical and political location, it's not always a bad thing, especially if you can prove that the rounds were loaded with safety in mind. This is not just an idea I retrieved from my anally-situated filing system, it actually came from from my local PD officers. Now, I wouldn't want to go before a jury in, say Los angeles with this defense, but here in Tx, I'd feel more than confident.
     
  9. dunerunner

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    I personally wouldn't want any low base loaded shells around to get confused with the high base shells I use for hunting. I did consider that alternative for him but after you buy the dies, bullets primers and casings, why not just buy a SD weapon?
     
  10. bgeddes

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    Single Shot shotguns are dirt cheap. If he can't afford one, maybe you can. God forbid he needs it but shotgun ammo is much more forgiving in communal living.

    That high power stuff is for distance.
     
  11. freefall

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    Doesn't he have a .22? Don't you have a 10/22 to loan him? A .22 Stinger would put THIS fat boy down squealing.
     
  12. dunerunner

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  13. Moss99

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    After finding the general consensus here being that a rifle is no solution for home defense I think I’ve devised a solution. I'm going to go buy the pardner pump and a few boxes of 00, give it to his wife as a gift to the family since hubby is being a stubborn douche :) Hopefully she will relinquish it to him (she doesn't really have any firearms training, not being sexist) and I’m hoping that will be the end of it.

    I very sincerely appreciate all the opinions given tonight. I thank you all.
     
  14. Gojubrian

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    I watched a show called 'Best Defense' last season. There was an episode where they showed the penetration of various weapons: 9mm, 45acp, 12guage, and an AR-15. The 12guage with buckshot had more penetration through several walls of sheetrock than the .223 round. The .223 round tumbled after the second wall and failed to penetrate the third or fourth.

    From what I gathered, they reccomended a 12 guage with lighter loads than buckshot or slug. Rob Pinkus shot a dummy point blank with 7 1/2 shot. It looked devastating, but I couldn't say how much it actually penetrated.

    I agree with everyone else, don't use a hi-power rifle (especially in an apartment!) use a shotgun with your preferred loads.

    Tell him to quit being such a knucklehead and let a rifle go, then buy a pistol and shotgun.
     
  15. Jess

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    I suggest he uses the butt end of his rifle to beat the ever loving crap out of a BG.

    Moss-that is super nice, I hope he takes it.
     
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  16. c3shooter

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    Well, taking it as a given that THOSE are the weapons and calibers that WILL be used- because the gent will not accept help from a friend- ANY of them will penetrate multiple layers of drywall, and at close range, multiple layers of bad guy.

    Least overpenetration? Pick the lowest energy round (mass times speed squared) and go for a soft point bullet.

    Ideal? Ask your friend if he can "store" a cheap 12 g shotgun for you.
     
  17. cpttango30

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    I am iffy on loaning guns to people. I would be more apte to buy a shotgun and give it to him.

    Single shot H&R shotguns run $200 maybe take a collection from some of your buddies to get him one.

    A rifle will work for a HD weapon but you need to be in a rual area and have lots and lost of land. If you have say 20 or so acres then a short rifle like an M4 variant of the AR-15 would be a good choice with a Tactical Light folding stock and 18" barrel.

    I am sure the 22-250 is a heavy barrel varmint rifle and the 243 and others are nice hunting rifles. they are going to hinder movement and be way too powerful at the range of an appartment. If you handload then you can use pistol powder reduced loads if their are any in reloading manuals.
     
  18. suprdave

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    Well said.
     
  19. orangello

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    That sounds like the best solution to me. Later on, let him buy it or return it when his environment improves.
     
  20. IGETEVEN

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    LMAO.........I concur with Jess and Supr........whoop him good too! :eek: :)


    Jack