Hi-Point Firearms questions

Discussion in 'The Club House' started by painted_klown, May 23, 2008.

  1. painted_klown

    painted_klown New Member

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    Hey all. As those that have read my threads, I am usually seeking advice/gun buying tips. Well I went to a gun shop in Missouri today and discovered a company named Hi-Point firearms.
    http://www.hi-pointfirearms.com/
    They seem to be sort of a poor mans Taurus with their unlimited lifetime warranties, and they are made in the good 'ol U.S.A. to boot!!! :D
    Has anyone had any experience with these guns? Are they worth buying? The retail prices certainly are VERY reasonable. I am thinking if I like them and they are worth getting, I could get a nice start on my gun collection. Does anyone know about the reliability of these? Are they accurate, ect...

    Thanks in advance for any and all advice. I apologize for the myriad of questions, I am just trying to gain an education and make informed decisions on my purchases. With the cost of guns, I don't want to regret buying one when I discover that a better deal was to be had and now I am stuck with a gun I wish I hadn't bought.:rolleyes:
     
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  2. allmons

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    Well, you've opened a can of worms now...

    The pistols are reportedly of mediocre quality, fit the hand strangely ( for most folks ) and have a propensity to jam. If someone gave me one, I would be most happy and would shoot it some. I personally would NOT use it for concealed carry or a duty weapon. There have allegedly been some reliability issues.

    It is only fair to tell you the I am an old fart who has never been able to keep 1911 style pistols functioning. I gave up on them years ago and switched to Glocks because they frickin' work and you don't need an engineering degree to get the dang things to go "BANG"!

    I am very glad that there are firearms manufacturers who make lower cost guns, and I wish them well. Not all of us can afford a $1200 1911 clone
    ( which still jam like my $350 1911 clone, by the way ).

    Now for the good news - the HiPoint carbine in 9 mm is SUPERB! Around $200 and an absolute hoot to shoot. Looks very awkward, but handles very well.

    So my bottom line is: if it fits your hand and you like it, buy it. There will be those gun "experts" who will disparage you and your gun choice, but you should buy what you like. If it works for you, don't worry about what anyone else thinks. I must say the HiPoint .45 has always fascinated me; maybe I need to get one to play with.

    Now just wait ... in a little while there will be someone who comes along here to tell us how dumb we are for thinking about buying HiPoints...

    ;)
     

  3. RL357Mag

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    I agree with Allmons. I would think twice about buying a HiPoint pistol, but I have the 4095 Carbine (.40 cal version of the 995) and I love it! It weighs nothing and is short and very comfortable to shoot. It is superbly accurate (sub 2" groups at 50 yds with open sights) and has rarely jammed. It feeds any ammo reliably and with the right ammo is deadly and produces accuracy and energy which far surpasses what is needed for self-defense or casual plinking (maybe even short-range hunting). I bought it to compliment my .40 Beretta. I had a problem with mine due to negligence on my part I believe. I shoot reloads and I prepared some 200 gr. Hornady XTP ammo late one night. I either had a contaminated primer, or I forgot to charge one case with powder, because I ended up with several bullets backed-up in the barrel! I never felt a reduction in recoil energy nor did I fail to hear a round going off, but after no hits on target, which was VERY strange given the accuracy of this gun, I observed a bullet head sticking half-way out of the barrel! Attempting to pull it out only resulted in the lead coming out but the jacket staying behind. I tried drilling it out and the drill bit broke, indicating another bullet behind the first one. I suspect I had at least 2 or more bullets stuck in the barrel. I am amazed that the barrel did not bulge or burst. Totally disgusted, I called HiPoint (Beemiller Inc.) and explained what happened. They said to mail it in with a copy of the receipt (which I fortunately had). Keep in mind that their warranty is invalidated if reloads are used. I removed the bolt handle so it would fit in the original box ( the gun is shipped with the bolt handle removed for ease of packaging) , I removed the sling, and I did not send the magazine with the gun. Within 10 days I had the gun returned with:

    1. A new Barrel
    2. A new Sling
    3. A new magazine.
    4. A new stock
    5. A scope mount
    6. A letter stating that the armorer "buffed" the trigger ( the trigger's are nothing to write home about on these guns)
    All in all, I am very impressed with the gun and more impressed with the service I received. The gun was over 4 years old when I sent it in for repairs - they have a lifetime warranty. If I could not afford anything else I would probably buy one of their pistols because it would be better than nothing. Hope this helps!
     
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  4. painted_klown

    painted_klown New Member

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    Both of your posts are a bit confusing regarding your opinions. At first you are saying "beware" then you go on to have what seems to be great things to say about them. Maybe I am missing something or perhaps there is just a couple of models that are worth getting.:confused:

    Thanks for the reviews guys. I happened to stumble across a very positive review for them last night as well.
    http://www.shootingtimes.com/handgun_reviews/hipoint_100605/
    Maybe it's my ignorance or "new kid" enthusiasm (where all guns seem cool) but I am REALLY leaning toward getting one. I just like to have a lot of different opinions (both good and bad) so I can weigh the options before I plunk down my money. I don't want to buy one if it's just going to be a headache to shoot though. (ie. frequent jamming, pieces breaking, gun falls apart, horribly inaccurate, ect..) Thanks again and please keep the reviews coming all. :)
     
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  5. TMCXJ

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    I don't care at all for opinions (particularly the negative ones) from people that do not own and likely never fired a gun of the type they're criticizing. I've heard and read tons of negative stuff about HiPoint, but invariablly it is of the opinions I just mentioned.

    Now, not to be a hypocrite, I do not own a HiPoint. But I HAVE fired several of them. They're an ugly duckling, to be sure, but the were good shooters. I plan to get at least one .40 and a .45 in the handgun, and am definitely getting a rifle in .40 - as mentioned above, they are a ton of fun to shoot and are quite accurate; I'm fortunate to have co-workers with similar interests.

    I say for the price, get one - you can't go wrong. Not too long ago, I saw on one of the gun auction sites where a seller had two (2) .45's for sale together, IIRC the buy-it-now price was under $300.00, NIB... You have no idea how tempted I was to pounce on that!

    Anyhow, I'd get one, if you don't like it, holler - I'll take it off your hands. :)

    Good luck to you, and keep us posted!
    - Tim
     
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  6. Catfish

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    I`ve never owned one, but have talked to alot of people that have. Consencess of oppenion seem to be they are very cheaply made and nothing to look at. Most prople that own them seem to think that they funtion very well. About 80% of the people that have owned them love them. Abt. 10% think they are very good for the price and 10% think they are junk. The other post may have confussed you, but they sounded right on to me. Most people that buy them just figure that if they don`t like the gun they`re not out much.
     
  7. RL357Mag

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    I have nothing but good things to say for the Carbine - I would buy another one. I have no experience with their pistols, but they are not pretty. If the pistols are as reliable as the carbines I would buy one, but for a primary carry weapon I would choose something else for the following reason. My first gun was a Rossi .357 Stainless Vented/Ported revolver. It cost me $262 15 years ago. I thought it was a great buy - it looked sharp. I sent it back for repairs when I couldn't get it to shoot straight. They re-barreled it for free - good service. Now I notice that sometimes when I cock it to shoot manually (not in DA mode) the hammer and trigger bind. It's still functional, but I wouldn't buy another Rossi pistol. I should have spent $400 originally and bought a S&W. Like I said, for your primary self-defense gun, get a quality piece and you won't regret it or wonder if it will go "bang" when you need it to...
     
  8. painted_klown

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    After checking into Hi-point firearms some more, I think I am going to get one. I will probably just end up getting whatever one I can find first but I would really like the 9mm or .45.

    It may be a little while before I make that purchase however. I am still heavily considering the Heritage rough rider revolver.

    I will let you all know what I end up getting and give a full reliability report as soon as I have an opportunity to take it out and run some ammo through it.

    Thanks again all for your insight and opinions. They are very much appreciated.:)
     
  9. RL357Mag

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    Hey Painted...before you invest in the Heritage .22 ask around here for info - I seem to remember a recent Guns & Ammo or Shooting Times article about problems with cylinder timing...just a thought.
     
  10. painted_klown

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    Ok, Thanks for the tip. I will do some more research and see what I can dig up.:)
     
  11. herp_man2003

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    speaking from experience

    I have owned both the 9mm carbine and the 9mm pistol the carbine as stated before are great shooters. The 9mm pistol always went bang, but that was about the best i could say for it. It is like a brick when you run out of ammo you could just throw it at someone. Also they only hold 10 rounds. It is not good for defence but it is better than nothing. And for the Rough Riders i had one that was just the .22 lr i dident have the 22 mag cyclender for it. I love that little pistol was a good shooter and never had any problems with timing. I used it a few times to shoot squirrels in the yard. Just my two cents and you do have to buy what you like. Thanks Anthony
     
  12. painted_klown

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    Thanks for the reviews herp_man2003.:)

    I have been checking out the Hi-point C-9. There seems to be a lot of favorable reviews for them. Especially because of their low price.

    I also do not seem to be able to find too much negative regarding the rough rider.
    Was the review you found on-line RL357Mag? I cannot seem to locate it.:confused:

    Well, I am heavily considering both of these guns and may or may not end up with them. I am thinking if I do get both of them I will have something fun to shoot while saving up for a really nice $400.00-$600.00 handgun that will be my "baby". :p I am Thinking Glock 17 (plus a .22 conversion kit for practice) or Taurus 1911....but those are nothing more than dreams at this point. Not even gonna try to get into deciding that until the time comes. :rolleyes:
     
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  13. ScottG

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    Be careful there or you'll end up with a wish list longer than your arm!!!! Not that there's anything wrong with that.... :D
     
  14. painted_klown

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    LOL, That is my problem already. Being new to guns and discovering that guns are like microphones. They all basically do the "same" thing. All guns shoot bullets and all microphones pick up sounds. The thing is that there are certain guns that are better for specific uses, there are several great "all purpose" types, a lot of quality manufacturers to choose from, various price ranges, guns that are just "cool" to own, ect..

    It would take me winning the lottery to be able to get all of the guns I have been eyeballing so far....and I am sure it will get worse as I go along. HAHHAHA!!

    That is why I take a lot of things and opinions into consideration prior to making any gun purchase. With my Marlin model 60 it just happened to be luck that I bought a decent gun. I was just asking "what are your cheap ones" LOL. Probably not a good idea to continue to keep using that method to pick my purchases.:rolleyes:

    Anyway, yeah. My wish list is already out of control. I am just trying to be realistic about it at this time. (it's difficult):p
     
  15. ScottG

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    It was the same for me. Long story short, I heard a rapping at my little girl's window one dark am and decided to become a gun owner. Once I decided that, I also decided I'd become familiar with all types of guns. So I need a small and large bore revolver, a large and small bore pistol, a small and large bore rifle: bolt, semi, scoped, and lever. Of course, a shotgun is needed. Then my love of history took over and I got a C&R which allowed me to purchase a '03 Springfield, a M1 Garand, and a M1 Carbine.

    So much to buy, so little money!!!!!
     
  16. painted_klown

    painted_klown New Member

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    There have never been truer words spoken. HAHAHA. I will keep everyone posed on what guns I buy and how they work out for me as I get them. Who knows, maybe my posts will help someone else who is looking for their "first" or even "next" gun.:)
     
  17. RL357Mag

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    It was several years ago and I think it was in Gun Test Magazine. They were testing various inexpensive .22 revolvers. It's a good magazine because they don't advertise or accept advertising dollars, so generally their reviews are honest unjaded tests. I consult that mag pretty much before every purchase. A buddy of mine brought his Heritage to my house about 12 years ago. It shot fine, but was cheaply made - he had the .22 mag cylinder but we didn't shoot mags that day. I enjoyed it. Only complaint I had were the plastic grips..
     
  18. RL357Mag

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    That's how it works Painted_Klown! Many of my purchases were after hearing how much other people enjoyed what they bought. My frist WWII rifle was a British SMLE No.1 MKIII that a friend suggested I buy. He bought one for himself and one for me for $59 each at a hardware store in Ct. I put a cheap 4x Bushnell scope on it and it turned out to be one of the most accurate bolt actions I own. My buddy shot a wild boar with his. I'm still trying to get that big buck with mine. Bought match grade AR-15 in .223 and another in .308 this past winter. Now I have my eyes on a Dragunov SVD sniper rifle. I really should be buying a very large gun safe instead! You'll always have more guns than you need, but not as many as you want!
     
  19. RL357Mag

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    That's a scary event for sure! Where do you live? The idiot cop that issued my CCW many years ago told me, and I quote " now this doesn't mean that you can shoot someone for breaking into your house at night...I could, but I'd have a lot of paper work to fill out"

    I felt like inviting him over at 3 am to test that theory!
     
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    last night my mom caught a burglar breaking into her house. i dont live at home, and my gun safe is kept at her house. well she went to the basement and took out my shotgun. caught the guy in the kitchen (which is at the top of the basement staircase where the safe is) cocked the gun, told him to get out or lay on the ground till the cops showed. he ran, and she was glad she didn't have to shoot someone, but she wants me to take her to get a shotgun of her own. she knew my 12 ga would knock her on her ass, so she wants a nice 20 ga. im getting my old shotgun back from my dad for her to work with and see how she likes it.