Hey All You AR Types...

Discussion in 'AR-15 Discussion' started by JW357, Feb 2, 2014.

  1. JW357

    JW357 New Member

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    I need advice on parts for a build. My wife has a coyote problem where she's living in Oklahoma. So she wants a rifle to deal with said problem.

    I'm new to the AR game. So I really don't know which manufacturers are quality, which are garbage, etc.

    Here are my requirements:
    - 2.23 / 5.56
    - as light-weight as possible
    - An M4 style collapsible stock
    - I would like to start with a complete lower
    - Ambi charging handle and if possible magazine release
    - Short varmint barrel
    - Light weight!
    - Low profile quad rails
    - Did I mention light weight?
    - Ergonomic pistol grip

    Also are there any lights I can mount to it which will put a beam out to 200 yards or so, or is this too tall of an order?

    This is a pretty high priority. Would like this finished within a month or so.

    I think that's everything... Thanks for the help.
     
  2. JonM

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    Price range??

    Normally I would suggest rra for varminting but lightweight isn't in rra's vocabulary.

    Psa complete lower

    Bcm upper I would suggest a keymod instead of quad rail. Quads are uncomfortable and weigh a lot.keymod is quickly becoming industry standard for adding rails devices only where needed

    I'm not a fan of ambi handles they tend to be delicate. My opinion bcm gunfighter handles are top notch in medium.

    I would suggest letting her pick a grip its very individual thing. Ergo grips are difficult to use if your hands aren't exact fit. Most people don't fit ergo grips well.
     

  3. MisterMcCool

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  4. JonM

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    Coyotes. Not a self defense threat
     
  5. JW357

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    Thanks Jon. I didn't mention a price range because its a rather specialized build I believe, and as such I expect it to cost a little more. For intents and purposes, let's call it a $1000 budget.

    I agree with you 100% regarding the quad rails. Trouble is, she likes the appearance of the quads. I believe I might be able to talk her out if them though, in the interest of weight.

    I'll check out your recommendations.

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  6. texaswoodworker

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    Hmm, I can have some fun with this one. :D

    Now first off, you better check OKs laws regarding that light. IIRC, the have spotlighting laws, but I don't recall if they apply to exterminating varmints/nuisance animals.

    Now then for the build.

    light weight and varmint barrel don't exactly go hand and hand. You can get semi light though. How about a 16" barrel? You loose some velocity, but it shouldn't matter much. I'd usually recommend BCM for an upper, but I don't recall them making a varmint barreled upper. I'm not sure if you'd be up to building the upper receiver/barrel too, so how about RRA? I've heard they make good accurate rifles.

    They've got two uppers that I think you may like. Both have a Wylde chamber, which I honestly don't know much about. They say it let you shoot both 5.56 and .223 equally accurately, but I've never noticed a difference between the two on my build (5.56 chamber).

    http://rockriverarms.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=category.display&category_id=270

    http://rockriverarms.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=category.display&category_id=271

    Both come with a bolt carrier group and a charging handle, so you wouldn't have to worry about that. I DO recommend a BCM gunfighter charging handle though. Those things are just freaking awesome. Their ambi version is a bit pricy though.

    http://www.bravocompanyusa.com/BCMG...GFH-Mod-44-AMBI-p/bcm-gfh-mod-a44-556ambi.htm

    For the stock, you can't go wrong with a Magpul CTR

    http://store.magpul.com/product/MAG310/180

    For the complete lower, is there a reason you want to go with a complete one? You have a lot more options if you build your own. Trust me, they are not hard to put together at all.

    If you want to go complete, one of these would work just fine.

    https://www.rainierarms.com/?page=shop/detail&product_id=3412

    https://www.rainierarms.com/?page=shop/detail&product_id=3413

    http://www.gandrtactical.com/cgi-bin/commerce.cgi?preadd=action&key=LWR-BCM

    If cost is an issue, this would be a really good option too. It also has a pretty decent stock already on it.

    http://palmettostatearmory.com/inde...r-magpul-acs-l-edition-black-no-magazine.html

    For the grip, Magpul MOE+ All the way!

    http://www.midwayusa.com/product/2319198047/magpul-moe-plus-pistol-grip-ar-15-rubber

    I don't know much about quad rails or lights, so I won't comment on them.

    BTW, feel free to kill as many of the bastards as you like. We've lost two dogs to coyotes, and had to have a third put down because they gave him rabies (We didn't know this until he killed a neighbor's dog)
     
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  7. texaswoodworker

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    BTW, if my recommendations, your looking at a minimum of about $1040 plus shipping. You might find some of this stuff cheaper at other websites though.
     
  8. texaswoodworker

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    It's kinda scary how much we think alike (on ARs anyway). :D :p
     
  9. JW357

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    T-dub squared (TWW :p ) -

    My reason for not wanting to build the lower, well here's a couple:

    I have no idea what I'm doing. Don't want to worry about getting incompatible parts or the rifle failing while my wife needs it most.

    I have almost no access to tools right now.

    The time hack. My wife is worried for the safety of our dogs. Two of my MiL's have been lost in the last couple months. As well as a few chickens of my wife's grand parents.

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  10. JW357

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    I'll look into the spot lighting laws. I believe it isn't a problem. But I'll double check.

    200 Yards is hypothetical. I don't know how close my wife will be able to get to them.

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  11. texaswoodworker

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    Personally, I'd go with the PSA lower then. It's pretty much good to go, and will keep the costs down. Don't forget to grab a few Pmags for it. :D
     
  12. Dahamp2003

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    I second everything here. BCM, PSA, CTR stock, I'd go with a magpul MIAD grip so you can change out front and back straps exactly how thick or small she wants it (no puns intended! Lol), maybe a fortis rail, or troy alpha rail. Also I've got your light. Around 125$, go with the Armytek Predator Pro. 760 "claimed" lumens and the throw on it is incredible. Can spotlight whatever you want. Outside of that what else am I missing? I have no clue on varmint barrels. I'm guessing you're wanting like 1/12 or 1/15 twist for sub 55 grain projectiles?
     
  13. JW357

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    Yeah I was thinking 1/9 at the fastest. 1/12 prolly preferred... But really, what do I know?

    Good lookin out for the light.
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  14. sputnik1988

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    I second (or third) everything said here.

    But honestly I don't see a need for a varmint barrel unless you intend to shoot pretty far distances or smaller targets. I think a good free floated 16" middy would do everything you wanted to.

    As for rails, it's not a quad but I really like the Troy alpha rail.

    Here's an example, I really want to build one like this.:D
     

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  15. texaswoodworker

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    Mine uses a 1/7, so it can shoot 55gr and up accurately. It is more accurate with bullets in the 70+gr range though.

    The uppers I posted for you are 1/8s. They are most accurate with bullets in the 60gr-77gr range. They can shoot 40gr and up pretty accurately.

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  16. Dahamp2003

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    I agree. If you're shooting Coyotes, I'd just run a normal twist barrel. Ammo will be cheaper and if you're hunting at night with a light you probably won't be extremely far away anyways. A coyote is a fairly big target.

    As for the rails, I run a YHM diamond, very cheap, solid, and durable rail. But pretty heavy. If you're really that big on weight, I'd go with the Troy he said or maybe the Fortis. Maybe even the YHM Lightweight Diamond version. Let's see some pics when you're done please
     
  17. TexasGunner

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    I would recommend the Samson Evolution hand guard. It is light weight, fits the hand really well, and comes with short rail attachments that you can configure to fit your needs. I will admit that when I was new to the AR platform, all I wanted were quad rails. I simply do not use the rails and wind up covering them with rail covers. My favorites now have to be the Diamondhead VRS-T and the Samson Evolution. Both are extremely comfortable to shoot and are priced very well.

    ImageUploadedByFirearms Talk1391436962.063197.jpg

    When I built this rifle I was trying to keep weight down, and I was very successful! Barrel wise..... Check out the Spikes Tactical optimum profile from Brownells. Mine is a 14.5 with Dynacomp pinned and welded. But this barrel as great specs. 1/7 twist chrome lined, CHF & mid-length gas. Very well balanced gun that shoots really smooth.

    I do have a Rock River with the heavy varmint barrel and it is a tack driver. But it is heavy as hell!


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  18. KG7IL

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    times a'wastin'

    I'd drop by one of the local WalMart, and pick up a Colt LE for $1K, drop a great 3x plus scope and start killin' varmits.

    times a'wastin' . No reason not to build, but no reason not get a 1st one to start the fun
     
  19. hardluk1

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    It does not sound like your really needing a real varmint class rifle when light weight and short are in the mix. Most decent ar rifles can shoot 1 1/2:moa or less and that's all you need for minute of coyotes at 300 yards. Optics are can be very different.

    You could buy a M&P sport and have a 1moa rifle for 600bucks with a good company to stand behind it . You could cobble together a rifle a fuzz cheaper but if she has any issues its her problem. and drop the extra cash in a scope and lighting or a coyote call. I'll let other talk about night time shooting and the possibilities.

    On an open field / pasture land and any amount of moon light a 2.5-10 like a monarh III or vortex with great glass can gather enough light to make a shot out to 2oo yards but its not allways practical.

    A local guy I have hunted with said he has a light he use's for night hunting?? Called a XLR250 by elusive wildlife tech . Guiss others will chip in here.
     
  20. purehavoc

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    This is more than I would pay for a upper because I would build it myself but you said LIGHT and its prebuilt so here it is .
    http://palmettostatearmory.com/inde...ith-nickel-boron-bcg-and-charging-handle.html

    Im not a big fan of the ACS stocks but it doesnt weigh much more than a MOE and it is a little bit longer and has some storage in it for a cleaning kit or what ever else you can think of

    http://palmettostatearmory.com/inde...r-magpul-acs-l-edition-black-no-magazine.html



    Personally for your intended usage heres how I would build it , Personally hand guards are hand guards to me they all do the same things , some just look better than others , but since you must have a torch on the end of it :D I would go MOE hand guards on this upper , and use iron sights
    Upper
    http://palmettostatearmory.com/inde...ped-upper-without-bcg-or-charging-handle.html
    Add a $17 charging handle and your in business .
    Lower,
    This one has the California bullet button installed but I would remove it and replace it with this $8 kit , It will take you 3 minutes to change out and no tools necessary
    http://palmettostatearmory.com/inde...dual-parts/ar-15-magazine-catch-assembly.html

    BCG
    http://palmettostatearmory.com/inde...o-state-armory-5-56-bolt-carrier-group-1.html

    Rear sight
    http://palmettostatearmory.com/inde...sight-set-same-plane-for-railed-uppers-1.html

    Magpul MOE hand guards run about $17 and no tools necessarey to put them on , they you can use a $20 flashlight mount on them .

    These are just my opinion of a good solid Basic AR15 that will more than get the job done for your needs . Cost is roughly around $600 which leaves you plenty of money for optics, mags and ammo. Also keep in mind there are plenty of leftys shooting right handed ARs without any issues . Charging handle is some what ambidextrous because if you pull it with 2 fingers which most do it wont matter which side of the gun your on . Maybe a Ambi safety would be in order but your talking about $18 and its a easy switch also . Another thing to keep in mid is that Lefty ARs use some proprietary parts that arent readily available every where
     
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