Here's a good way to lose $175 and your pistol

Discussion in 'Gunsmithing Forum' started by trstncmpbll, Apr 11, 2010.

  1. trstncmpbll

    trstncmpbll New Member

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    So I have a taurus pt92 that is blued that I desided to remove the bluing and make it matte metal. So people online said its simple. Soak the parts in vinegar until its gone and re finish it. Little did I know the frame was anodized aluminum so my pistol looked like a damn rainbow and I was freaking out thinking it was coroding. So I dropped it off at a gunsmith to have them bead blast and to a duracoat on it. So no pistol for 3 weeks and $175 towards my 1911 is gone. Where did I go wrong? I know anodized aluminum needs to be chemically or blasted off.
     
  2. cpttango30

    cpttango30 New Member

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    Where did you go wrong?

    1. Not knowing your gun first off.

    2. Not researching what you wanted to do first.

    3. Not knowing that Bluing will not stick to Alum or brass just ferrous metals.

    4. Asking a bunch of wannabe gunsmiths on the internet.
     

  3. ALSGUN

    ALSGUN New Member

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    sorry this happened, chalk it up to a learning experience.
     
  4. General_lee

    General_lee New Member

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    Sorry this happened to you, but Tango is right... know your gun and know what you're doing before you try ANY home gunsmithing.
     
  5. rigjumpr

    rigjumpr New Member

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    that $175 has bought you a great deal more.
     
  6. stalkingbear

    stalkingbear Well-Known Member

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    Sounds like an expensive mistake. Where did you get the vinegar trick idea from?
     
  7. trstncmpbll

    trstncmpbll New Member

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    Well when the bluing on my barrel was getting worn I was curious if its possible and a lot of people say vinegar removes bluing and theirs how to guides. So the gunsmith says he's going to have to sandblast it and duracoat it which will take 2 to 3 weeks. So I guess we will see what happens. Ill just be glad to get it back to go to the range
     
  8. DrumJunkie

    DrumJunkie New Member

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    I've always heard that about bluing but never tried it. Sounds like you bought you a pretty good lesson in that one should know what your weapon is made of and to do a lot of research before attempting something like this. That Duracoat is good stuff. I picked up a small compressor and air brush to do some home projects sitting around here.

    Just remember..It really don't make you stupid unless you do it again:eek:
     
  9. Ruzai

    Ruzai New Member

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    NEVER take on any gunsmithing until you know everything possible about your materials, your process, troubleshooting, and outcome.
    I'm speaking from experience, I am a gunsmith in training but I always re-assure anyone that asks me to do anything to their gun that I wont do anything I dont know everything there is to know about it before attempting it.
    If you are interested in gunsmithing there are some great books you can read, just be sure you know the author is an actual author and gunsmith.
    The old phrase "Its better to ask forgiveness than to ask permission" doesnt apply to guns. You can easily screw up a gun for good buy doing something wrong.

    Fortunately for you, your problem is fixable for the most part and you can chalk this one up to a learning experience like the guys said.
     
  10. JonM

    JonM Moderator

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    the interweb is a great place to ask questions so you got a place to start asking experts the right questions.

    after getting "expert advice" your next step shoulda been to go to a real gunsmith and ask them about the process...
     
  11. superc

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    In spite of all of the criticism from others about how you approached the problem, rest assured those who are indeed "real" gunsmiths have occasionally (even if they deny it) had what we can call "Ooops moments."

    [How do those writers define "real" gunsmiths? Surely they have a non-published set of criteria more significant than this man(or woman) spent money to buy an ATF license and stuck a gunsmith sign in their window? Do 'real' gunsmiths even use the Internet? Perhaps what they meat was a gunsmith pre-approved by Taurus? How does a non-original purchaser learn from Taurus what the website of such an individual is? And, do such individuals give advice to others for free, and is there a chance a non-disclosure agreement prohibits certain useful information from being released without money changing hands? Lots of issues buried in such comments.]

    Should someone do research to learn what can and can't be blued? Sure. Is all of the information about each part from every gun ever made quickly accessible? Nope. And when it is available occasionally it has resulted from someone else's ooops moment and the spreading of the word,

    Recommended reading from Brownell's: Gunsmith Tips and Kinks. Get all 4 and read them first before beginning future projects. A lot of it may not apply to what specific project you may have in mind this afternoon, but all of it is good to know and to have on hand for later checking.

    One of my own ooops moments was the discovery that OEM Winchester rifle barrels are not easily blued. In that decade I hadn't even heard of Brownells. A free tip, do not keep materials capable of removing the bluing anywhere near a genuine Winchester.

    Another ooops moment of note was the time I dropped an antique Colt DA revolver off with a timing issue at what I had presumed was a "real" gunsmith 'cause he had a sign, and an FFL, and a shop, customers and all that other "evidence" that he was indeed a 'real' gunsmith only to 8 months later get back a frame and a brown paper bag containing most of the parts that had been in the gun. [We won't even discuss what this "real" gunsmith did to someone else's pre-war drilling.] Further questioning and inquiries disclosed in spite of prior lies to the contrary said individual (a "real" gunsmith) had never seen or worked on anything like that and couldn't wait to take it apart, then get drunk and lose pieces. Lets just say it took decades of waiting for the Internet to be created before that particular ooops was corrected. As a result of this 30 year experience I find I have acquired a certain sensitivity to the phrase, 'find a "real" gunsmith.'

    Perhaps, finding a gunsmith with a proven track-record of 'succesfully' doing the exact kind of fix desired on the exact type of firearm in question is a better term to suggest. Experience however shows that often those people are rarely in your state and all too often have a fairly small Internet footprint.
    Often, the less common the gun, the smaller their Inet footprint. In those cases posting a question seeking free advice is actually a good idea. Who knows, a valid tip may come. (Do this before embarking on the new projects.) Just give the question enough time to generate a response and consider posting the same question on two or three different forums to expand the hit probability.
     
    Last edited: Apr 16, 2010
  12. cpttango30

    cpttango30 New Member

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    Vinager will remove blueing.

    You have to be very careful when doing it though. I left mine in a little too long and now I have pitting on one side of the part. Nothing big but it sure does suck to do something like that.
     
  13. Ruzai

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    Supc is right, often people dont ask if a gunsmith is even certified.
    I remember talking to a couple of people in my area about rebluing a shotgun and we got around to the fact that I was interested in gunsmithing and I wanted to know where either of them gone to school. Person A's response was "Gunsmiths dont go to school, we learn on our own". Person B hadnt gone to school but rather had been a gunsmith apprentace for some time.
    Person A would definitely not be a person I would take ANY firearm to for any reason. And I'd still be slightly warry about Person B regardless of his apprentaceship.