Here is something I wonder about

Discussion in 'General Handgun Discussion' started by Norwood, Aug 31, 2009.

  1. Norwood

    Norwood New Member

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    Why is it that people are so confident in the 44 mag. handgun being able to stop a Grizzly, when a 30-30 Win., which has twice the velocity and muzzle energy is considered to be underpowered for Grizzly. Is carrying a 44 mag. handgun giving people a false sense of security?
     
  2. canebrake

    canebrake New Member

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    "Denial ain't just a river in Egypt."
    - Mark Twain (1835-1910)
     

  3. c3shooter

    c3shooter Administrator Staff Member

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    I know of NO handgun that will reliably (pay attention now, the key word was RELIABLY) plant a grizzly. I did kill a bear several years back with a 7.62 NATO FMJ- but it was fired from an M-60, along with it's 99 brothers that were in the assualt bag.

    Here's a hint- if you are shooting something that is the size of a Chevy S-10 pickup, and has a bad temper, use all the gun you can get.

    Of course, if you wait long enuff, the 44 Mag should stop the bear. When he chokes on the gun still clutched in your hand as he tries to swallow it. :eek:
     
  4. robocop10mm

    robocop10mm Lifetime Supporting Member Lifetime Supporter

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    I would much rather have a .30-30 loaded with 170 gr soft points in bear country than any handgun. .41 mag is generally considered the bare minimum for self defense in bear country. I would carry heavy cast bullets and plan on putting all 6 into a bear. .44 mag is slightly more powerful than the .41, but I would still plan on putting 6 into a bear.

    IMHO putting 5-6 .30 cal 170 grain soft points into a bear would be more effective.
     
  5. IGETEVEN

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    I think it is presumed that a .44 magnum handgun is and should be a secondary carry weapon along with your primary weapon, a large magnum rifle or slug 12 gauge. Most experienced hunters carry at least two, if not three, firearms, consisting of handguns and rifles. Hince the saying, "Loaded for bear." ;)

    Jack
     
  6. Lupo

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    That doesnt sound very humane? Actually that sounds quite violent. Any purpose behind such overkill?
     
  7. SGT-MILLER

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    I grew up in Alaska, and spent a lot of my time in bear country (I like to camp). I will tell you that any Alaskan will laugh at you if you say you are using a .44 Magnum for bear protection.

    The .44 Mag pistol is a back up/emergency use weapon only. Usually, you would only employ this weapon if the bear is upon you and your rifle is dry.

    Using a .44 Magnum against a bear is like using a .22LR against a human. It'll work, but not as well as other calibers out there.

    The 30-30 is marginal, but it'll work.

    Keep in mind, that I'm talking about Grizzlies. Black Bears are a little smaller, so you have a little more freedom in your round of choice.
     
  8. Yunus

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    I only lived there a couple years but was told that Bears will be more scared of the sound of the firearm than of the impact the bullet has. I have no idea if that's true just what I was told.
     
  9. c3shooter

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    Lupo- was not intended to be sporting. This was FAR back country, Alaska, LARGE grizzly with attitude, IN our camp- and just letting the bear have the camp was not an option- we needed what we had to live on for a couple of weeks before we would be extracted. And the M-60 was a MUCH better choice than the M-16s. And yes, we wanted to make DAMNED sure that one was dead.
     
  10. Gojubrian

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    If I had to choose a handgun for the mighty grizzly bear it would be either the .460 or .500 magnum.
     
  11. NGIB

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    Bingo, we have a winner! T'was I to ever hunt grizzly, I'd want a stout handgun as a close quarters backup myself...
     
  12. Jess

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    We are trying to plan a family vacation to yellowstone. When I asked them about bears they said not to pet them...srsly? no way:rolleyes: I would have never thunk it. Then they suggested that I tie bells on my 2 year old and 5 year old. That was it. So bears apparently are terrified of jingle bells I'm all set.
     
  13. IGETEVEN

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    The bears will leave ya alone. Just don't put them kids into any picnic baskets and carry them around or have them walk around with a half eaten bologna sandwich. :)

    Jack
     
  14. meek

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    That's awsome they said not to pet the bears. They wouldn't say it though if nobody haden't tried. I like the .44 mag, and I would love it as a side arm on bear hunting expeditions. But I think aside from the S&W s500 It's the handgun with the most stopping force. I think you just don't want anyting smaller than that. Bears don't respect .22s.
     
  15. canebrake

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    I think I would rather have a S&W Model 460.

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    And it shoots the .45 Long Colt, .454 Casull and the .460 S&W Magnum.

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    The .460 S&W Magnum with Belt Mountain's Punch Bullet.

    Over a ton of energy release sent down a free-floating, Lothar-Walther Custom German Rifle Barrel! (The 460 VXR Compensated Hunter)

    I'm just sayin'. [​IMG]
     
  16. Dillinger

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    ^^

    And if that doesn't work, you can stuff that pretty yellow case in the Bear's maw while you scoot your little ass down the road. :cool::D

    JD
     
  17. meek

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    Wow I wonder why it doesn't come with bear tranquilizers? or a suicide capsul in case of bear mauling.
     
  18. IGETEVEN

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    Cane, I would have to agree on your choice of handgun for bear defense. That 460 would no doubt, definitely do the job. But......I will leave it up to them bear hunters to find out, cause you ain't gonna catch this boy out there provoking one of them sonsofbitches to find out for sure. Besides, you better be propped up next to a tree when you fire off that damn short barreled cannon off with that.460 magnum cartridge in it, cause if your not, it will blow ya butt back into one. :D

    Jack
     
  19. canebrake

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    I think that's the idea. If you fire it in regular intervals it would work like a pulse jet! Five rounds and you're 100 yds from where the bear attack started!

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  20. Jess

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    hmm that is a fantastic gun, I wonder if my hubby will believe that its absolutely essential :D