Here in the U.K.......

Discussion in 'Legal and Activism' started by jungleman, Apr 17, 2011.

  1. jungleman

    jungleman New Member

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    Hi, My first Posting.
    Here in the U.K. it is a fairly difficult thing to obtain a shotgun Certificate, and even more difficult to get a Firearms licence.We accept this, without question, what if you 2nd Amendment was taken away from you overnight?.
    and you had the same conditions we have here in the U.K. to obtain a licence for guns?.making obtaining say anything above a .22 very difficult to obtain.as it is here in the U.K.?.
    Jungleman.
     
  2. opaww

    opaww New Member

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    There would be war here and a nasty one
     

  3. BlindOldMan

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    Banning things outright can be hairy. For years I worked as a computer and network engineer . In some places it is illegal to own some of the analysis tools I needed to use on a daily basis. The immediate assumption is that the tools would be used for nefarious purposes rather than the innocuous such as why Brenda can't connect to her email. OK, so no problem. I was a programmer for 10 years so I know how to make an equivalent utility with just a few hours of coding. Do you then ban my utility? Do you ban the class of utility? How about things that weren't intended for that purpose but could be used in the same way? You end with either overly broad laws that are meaningless from a legal standpoint, or thousands of inconsistent laws that are equally impossible to defend from either side of the courtroom.

    I carry a lockback folding blade with me pretty much during every waking moment. Am I thinking about using it for robbing a liquor store? Hardly. I use it for things such as sharpening pencils (drawing is a hobby) to cutting rope for lashing palm fronds together to cutting slices of mango from my tree to slicing my morning breakfast of toast and marmalade (usually while walking on the beach). Because of inconsistent laws in my area, I could drive down a stretch of highway and move from legal to illegal three times. A lockback knife is nothing special, but mine is an evil black knife.

    Sorry for the rant...
     
  4. jungleman

    jungleman New Member

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    Hi. Don't be sorry for the rant, I also have one now and then, I find that thats when the truth will out. I like Bushcraft and sea angling, and I have 2 custom made knives, made by a Chris Grant in Scotland,both have a fire steel built into the sheaths, to light fires with. As the blades are over 3.5" I cannot carry them on my belt,in Public, a big no, no, If however, I could prove I was a Commercial fisherman, then it's O.K. It seems the Laws in the U.K. are in a lot of respects as stupid as yours. However as most of our Polititions leave University, and go straight into politics, they have no idea as to what the real world is like. Nearly all our M.P.s are millionairs, so, again, how do they know, even care about Joe Bloggs?.And why, for such a small Island, do we need 650 of them?
    OOOOOOOOOOPs just like you, haviing a Rant!!!!:D

    Guilty as charged M'lud!

    Jungleman
     
  5. bkt

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    Jungleman, our Bill of Rights does not bestow permissions on us. It acknowledges pre-existing rights all people have that cannot be taken away in the same way no government can ban the sun rising in the east and setting in the west.

    Any attempt to disarm the American populace would result in a civil war.
     
  6. jungleman

    jungleman New Member

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    Hi bkt. I know what you mean. It's a shame we don't have the same laws as you in some respects, inasmuch as that an Englishmans home is his castle...until some idiot breaks in whilst the owner of the home is present. There have been many cases over here, when the occupant has given the burglar one hell of a beating. Result?, the burglar has complained, and the Police arrest the owner of the house for using excessive force, to repel the intruder.The owner, by Law must only use as much force as needed to repel the intruder, which poses a problem. The burglar may be in his 20s the home owner in his late 20s or 30s, and has a fairly equal chance of downing the intruder. Second example, same intruder, but homeowner is 60 or 70 yrs old, and in all probability has no chance of using reasonable force to repel the intruder, so why should the same Law be applied in his case?.If somewon is in my house, uninvited, in the middle of the night, I would shoot, knife or club him to death, and sod the consequenses.

    Jungleman.
     
  7. meadville

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    Bravo! Nice bit of conversation with my sunday morning coffee.
     
  8. jungleman

    jungleman New Member

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    Hi.I didn't realise that I was having a Right Rant, hope it didn't spoil your Sunday morning coffee ;)

    Jungleman.
     
  9. M14sRock

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    Are Brits still allowed to own shovels and bags of lye?:p
     
  10. JTJ

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    Just bury the intruder in the garden and plant a fruit tree over him. Since no one knows he is there and probably wont be missed, why bother to annoy the police and the prosecutors.:rolleyes:
     
  11. armoredman

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    I wish you brits best of luck getting some sanity back. I am in Arizona, USA, the sanest place on Earth, where we recognize the right to self defense and right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. We have plentyof room - a BIT hotter than England, but I know of two Englishmen who came here for our laws...plus a Kiwi.
     
  12. jungleman

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    Yes, but I would need a J.C.B. digger, and lorryloads of Lye to get rid of the 650 items of dross in Parliment at this moment in time.
    The whole of the U.S. of A is run by a damned site less than we are.

    Jungleman.

    P.S. Why go to all that trouble when you could put a Cruise missile through the front door?.
     
  13. bkt

    bkt New Member

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    I had a similar question. If the law works in favor of criminals and against the good, law-abiding citizen in his or her home, maybe playing by the legislators' and law-enforcement officers' game isn't the smartest thing to do.

    While the U.S. constitution codifies a few innate human rights, it bears mentioning they are EVERYONE'S rights, whether your government recognizes them or not. It's up to you, the individual, to figure out what abuses you're willing to tolerate and what you won't tolerate.
     
  14. jungleman

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    Hi. I was in Vegas in 86, and went to the Hoover dam, Grand Canyon, had 3 weeks in CA, San Diego. Cops are keen at Flagstaff, I got a ticket for driving 2, yes, 2 MPH over the limit. I just loved Arizona , well, apart from the flash floods, when there was no sign of a cloud in the sky. Loved the heat in particular.The only right to bear arms, is when it's a hot day and we can roll our shirt sleeves up. ;)
    Jungleman
     
  15. bkt

    bkt New Member

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    Interesting line of thinking. I like it.

    Oh, I don't know about that. You may have more MPs than we have Congressvermin, but we have state governors and state legislatures, county executives and county legislatures, city mayors and town supervisors with their respective legislatures. It's easy to break a law here. It's difficult to avoid breaking a law.

    That's a problem, if you ask me.

    They won't let you have a .22lr. They're going to let you play with a cruise missile?
     
  16. jungleman

    jungleman New Member

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    bkt. It's a shame we don't have somewon like you as President, we Brits are re known for taking things lying down, with a typical stiff upper lip. The trouble here is Political Correctness, which covers a multitude of sins. As you are well aware, we have a coalition government at the moment, it will never work, ever, even myself and wife disagree on points, and we are just 2, so how the hell can we get anything done with things as they are now. Tony Blair ruined our rights to own shotguns and firearms, they were difficult to obtain then, now it;s even worse. There are different "Nationalities" in London who use sub machine guns, and knives. And don't even get me started on the "RACE" card they play over here.:mad:

    Jungleman
     
  17. jungleman

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    Now just hang on a minute.we too have Mayors regional council executives etc, as well as all the government appointed quangoes, so I stand by my comments as posted prior.As for the .22lr I said you could put one in, not us, we have to blame somewon, as we can't afford one, even some of our aircraft are grounded in the East through lack of spare parts!!
    Jungleman.
     
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  18. wmille01

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    just thinking about we as Americans do have the right to over throw the government if we really don't like what there doing... that or mexico.
     
  19. M14sRock

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    Haha. The Highway Patrol loves to wait just over the top of the last hill into Flag. I have been pulled over several times because the cruise control puts the car over the top a bit too fast. Never got a ticket, though.

    Just down the hill from Flag is Williams. I got a ticket for 3 MPH over the limit slowing down. But that was about 17 years ago.
     
  20. bkt

    bkt New Member

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    :D Fair enough Jungleman.

    About political correctness...we have that here but to a lesser degree than you do in the U.K. The unwillingness of a great people, such as those in the U.K., to stand up for common sense and self preservation in deference to political correctness would be a terrible loss to the world. Here's to hoping you guys form your own Tea Party rallies in the U.K.