Help with accuracy issues savage 10fp

Discussion in 'General Rifle Discussion' started by jeep606, Dec 29, 2011.

  1. jeep606

    jeep606 New Member

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    hi i am having some issues and would like to collect some collective knowledge about what it may be or if i need to send it back to savage to have the barrell/chamber looked at. ok went to the range today. terrible accuraccy with my savage 10 fp in 308. like 2-3 moa. now when i got the gun i could put 5 shots into a group the size of a quarter at 200yds. yes i did try about 5 different types/weights of ammo. bulk 150 gr fmj 308 i had that shoots well in everything else and used to in the savage at least i thought remington 150 core lokt some winchester 165 grain all grouped like crap..some of the bullets that i shot that were in my gun room didnt even appear to hit at 100yds. (also it seems to have had degrading accuraccy every time i have shot it. i thought it might be copper fouling but i have only shot 200-400 rds through the gun in the last two years since i bought it. and to clarify the gun has a rail on top and heavy duty steel rings and a millett tactical scope. i have rifles that have way more rounds than that through them and are putting bullets in the same hole at 100 yds. im going to get some more copper solvent today and try that i have heard that savage barrels are terrible about copper fouling. i also know that the headspace on the rifles are very very tight and it will only chamber certain rounds. and most handloads that were shot from other rifles will not even chamber.ehhh.. im at the end of my rope with this thing its one of my favorite rifles and its annoying me its shooting so bad. any info will be appriciated.
     
  2. willfully armed

    willfully armed New Member

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    2-400 rds without properly cleaning the barrel is exactly your problem.
    I don't like putting 20 through my CZ barrel without cleaning it.

    Sweets 762 cleaner, Hoppes #9 and CLP until the patch is clean.
     

  3. JTJ

    JTJ Well-Known Member Supporter

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    If it is not fouling, Have you removed the action from the stock? It needs to be re torqued if you did. I am looking at a possible scope problem as well. I had a scope go bad in less than 40 rounds on a 308 Savage 10PC. I went from sub MOA for the 1st 20 to 2 MOA for the 2nd 20. Changed scopes and back to sub MOA. It was in Leupold steel mounts and rings. I cleaned the barrel after each shot for the 1st 5 and then after each 3 shot group for the next 15. When my groups started opening up I cleaned it again but did not help so I changed the scope and that fixed it.
     
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  4. jeep606

    jeep606 New Member

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    thanks you guys are great. less than an hour and 2 replies. cleaning it now getting lots of crud out of it. i have ran a bore snake through it a few times with oil. but i was in the military most of the time i had the rifle and i had to store the rifle off base and wasnt able to really clean it the way it needed to be cleaned. kind of shoot for 30 mins and put it back into storage. now that im back home i went to shoot it but never really have experienced copper fouling before. thousands of rounds down range expert pistol and rifle shot and scored 4th at the camp pendleton matches in 2008 with a m14. but i guess the more you shoot and deal with weapons its just a nonstop learning expereince. thanks ill shoot today or tomorrow let you know if its fixed.
     
  5. jeep606

    jeep606 New Member

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    also what kind of scope did you have that went bad?
     
  6. jeep606

    jeep606 New Member

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    shot today and it only had 1-1.5 inch goups with some old winchester 150s.. gotta get better. going to have to get some other ammo and try that..
     
  7. jpattersonnh

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    Forget the Bore snake! If you don't put them in the washer, or wash them by hand, your just adding grunge back in. Get an otis cleaning kit and a 1000 pack of patches. The patches only last me 2 years. For regular cleaning, FP10 works well, it also preserves and lubes. My rifles never freeze in the winter. CLP still works great also. Try a box of match ammo, you may see a huge improvement. It will at least give you an idea of what is happening.
     
  8. JTJ

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    It was a Simmons Aetec which is their top of the line. I will send it back some day when I need a scope for a 22lr. That is all they are good for. Bushnell makes them and Millet now. The old Simmons Whitetail Expedition was a good scope.
     
  9. JTJ

    JTJ Well-Known Member Supporter

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    That is about right for the Winchester 150. Try some Federal Match.
     
  10. Txhillbilly

    Txhillbilly Active Member

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    I'd probably say that your barrel needs to be thoroughly cleaned.You also are probably getting some bad groups from shooting handloads that were made for another gun-Bad Idea,if they were hard to chamber.High chamber pressures can damage your gun.
    Shooting factory hunting ammo,don't expect sub-moa performance.Most do good to get 1-2 moa at 100 yards.
    Bore snakes are good to use at the range for a pass thru cleaning,but that's it.Nothing works better than a good scrubbin with solvent and patches.

    I've only had Copper fouling issues with one of my Savages,my 25/06,all of my others have been fine and I shoot'em a bunch.

    Try some quality Match ammo after you clean it,and maybe it will impress you again.
     
  11. Muliemaster

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    Fully agree the bore snake is a camp cleaning tool for quick clean, but should not be considered the main cleaner. Get a quality one piece rod an good brushes do a real cleanin job, for copper I like sweets 7.62 copper remover, an the I use hoppes #9 an then dry patches untill clean. Then run a oil patch through to keep rust away. Just remember to run a dry patch through before shootin
     
  12. jeep606

    jeep606 New Member

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    ok went to the range got the barrel spotless shot one round to foul the barrel and started shooting at a 1.5 x 1.5 ft target at around 100 yds. the first 3 rounds were the ones that i had been getting the 1.5 inch groups with. i got new box of winchester 150s and started trying to sight in the rifle for group size. shot the first round..nothing not even a mark on the target?... nothing. followed by 4 other rounds same thing. changed to the 10 year old winchester stuff i was shooting. 1 inch high and centered.. i am really about to send this thing back to savage.. there is somthing amiss with the barrell/chamber on this gun..thats all i can figure. and i have cleaned all the copper fouling out of the barrel.i think the head spacing may be off?
     
  13. jeep606

    jeep606 New Member

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    but the thing is that the gun used to shoot sub moa with almost any brand as long as it was under 170 grains. fiocchi & winchester were the most accurate.
     
  14. Txhillbilly

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    Jeep,Have you checked all of the Action screws,Rings,bases,etc., to make sure everything is tight and torqued to the correct specs.
    If it was shooting great before,and not now,I doubt it is a barrel or chamber problem.
    I have a Savage 10FCP and 12 FLV in 308 Winchester,both have always shot excellent,but I haven't ever shot any bullet weights under 165gr.Plus,I only handload for all of my guns.

    It may be that your barrel doesn't care for the lighter weight bullets,but it should still put them on target if everything is tight on the rifle.Both of mine love 168gr-210gr match bullets,and Nosler 168gr Ballistic Silvertips for hunting chores.
     
  15. BlueTurf

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    I have the Savage 10FLP in .308, which is the left-handed version of your rifle. I am very familiar with this rifle. I have two loads that will produce a cloverleaf pattern in the bullseye at 100 yards. The Federal Gold Medal Match ammo will do this also. From what you described my first thought was that you had a seriously fouled barrel. I never shoot my rifle more than maybe twenty times without cleaning it. I have always used good copper solvents like Sweets 7.62 but the cleanest I ever got the barrel was with a foaming bore cleaner named Wipe Out. After cleaning the bore with the regular solvent I put a cotton swab in the chamber end to plug it then spray the Wipe Out in the barrel from the muzzle end. I leave it in there for three hours before removing it. It gets absolutely all of the remaining fouling out and it is not harmful to the metal.

    I also thought you might have loose screws somewhere on your scope mount assembly. I doubt if the problem with your rifle has anything to do with the head spacing. It should be an easy problem to solve.