Help Please

Discussion in '1911 Forum' started by Glore, Sep 24, 2011.

  1. Glore

    Glore New Member

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    Hello members! I need help with identifying this firearm. My friend has two 1911's that were passed down from his father (now deceased). I have read and done some research but I need additional info on the gun. It is some opinions that the gun should be left in the original condition and as it may be valuable as a collector piece I would like your opinions on the history and how to proceed with the gun (refinish etc. and Value). I am learning more about the 1911's from you guys and value your info, ecspecially you Cane! Any info would be appreciated. If you guys need more pics I can put those up as well.
    It is stamped United States Property M1911A1 U.S. ARMY, the other side is stamped Remington Rand INC. Syracuse NY USA.
     

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  2. FCross7

    FCross7 New Member

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    I don't know much about the vintage 1911's, other than to not modify them in any way. From my understanding, the original Rands can be worth a decent amount of money. If you're looking for a 1911 that you can modify and or customize, then sell that one, and buy a new production.

    That's about all the info I have for you, others will be along shortly though.

    -Fred
     

  3. kvtcomdo

    kvtcomdo New Member

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    Old Colt

    Remington Rand was one of the subcontractors the US Govt. used to make 1911 during WWII. The Colt Co could not keep up with the need during the war and used several other subcontractors as well
    1.Colt
    2.Singer
    3.Springfield
    4.Union Switch and Signal
    5.Ithica
    8.North American Arms
    9.Remington UMC

    DO NOT change your relic in ANY way if you wish to maintain the collectors value of the pistol.:eek:
    BTW, I think Remington was the 2nd largest producer so the value is less than if it were some of the others.
     
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  4. c3shooter

    c3shooter Administrator Staff Member

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    PLEASE do NOTHING to that pistol, other than use a clean soft cloth and some light oil, and wipe it down. A check of COMPLETED auctions for Remington-Rand 1911A1s over at gunbroker.com showed selling prices of about $1100 to $2000.

    That means that was not the ASKING price, but the SELLING price.
     
  5. JonM

    JonM Moderator

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    without having very high quality close ups of all markings including stampings on the barrel its hard to tell but the wear on the slide and frame are consistant so its highly liekly its all original and a very valuable gun. refinishing or changing anything (except springs and you should keep the old ones in a baggie) will ruin any value. refinishing collector items like that brings a 2000$ gun to about a 250$ beater of no real value

    that is not an improvement in any book.
     
  6. wktipton

    wktipton New Member

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    Help Please.

    I carried a Remington-Rand in Heidelberg, Germany in the mid-1970's, guarding the Commander-in Chief (CINC), Deputy CINC, and Chief of Staff, USAREUR (US Army Europe). I went to draw it from the arms room one day only to find that the firing pin had been broken for a long time (we usually just used a few pistols to qualify the MP company, since there is no adjustment on "zero" for the sights!) sure glad i didn't have to depend on it to save me or the Generals, as unless the bad guys were co-operative and within beating range, it would not have helped! wktipton, SSG, USA (Military Police), Retired
     
  7. canebrake

    canebrake New Member

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    Glore, your Remington was part of a 110,400 pistol build in 1945.


    The Remington Rand Story: Remington Rand was awarded its first order on March 16th, 1942, for a total of 125,000 1911A1 pistols. The company had no experience building pistols at the time it was awarded the contract. Remington Rand formed a new division (Remington Rand "C" Division) to take charge of building the pistols. Remington Rand "C" Division converted a vacant plant into a modern pistol manufacturing facility. The plant was located on Dickerson street in Syracuse, N.Y and was once used for building typewriters,

    Initially some manufacturing equipment was not available. This caused Remington Rand to acquire parts from other sources to complete the early pistols. They purchased barrels from High Standard, Colt, and Springfield Armory; Disconnectors from US&S; Grips safeties from Colt; and Slide stops from Colt and Springfield Armory (2,865 left over from WWI). Remington Rand "C" Division inherited much of the documentation, tooling, and machinery that originally was used by The Singer Manufacturing Co. in their Educational Order. Consequently some of the parts of the early pistols were made using Singer supplied tooling and fixtures. Careful examination of Early Remington Rand pistols will reveal striking similarities in some of the parts to Singer made parts such as the triggers and mainspring housings. The first 255 production pistols where accepted by ordinance inspectors in November of 1942. Initial shipments appeared to perform satisfactorily, but subsequent tests performed by Ordnance Inspectors revealed serious problems with parts interchangability. In March 1943 James Rand Jr., stopped production due to a high rate of Parts Interchangeability Test failures. Only after a change in management and a thorough review of the inspection and manufacturing operations was production finally resumed in May of 1943. Throughout production Remington Rand aggressively attempted to innovate and improve the production of 1911A1 pistols.

    By March of 1945 they where building the lowest price pistol in the war effort and quality was considered second to none. By the end of the war Remington Rand had produced over 875,000 pistols, almost as many as Colt (628,808) and Ithaca (335,467) combined.