Help making 9mm Makarov Barrel with limited tools

Discussion in 'Gunsmithing Forum' started by Jericho1911u22, Mar 4, 2013.

  1. Jericho1911u22

    Jericho1911u22 New Member

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    I am looking to make a 9mm makarov barrel for my baby eagle.

    I would like to know your thoughts on the possibility of this and issues that I might run into.

    I would like suggestion on the material to use for the barrel and some input to make the tools I absolutely need that can be made. or where to buy tools that are more difficult to make.

    My first thought is to make a basic hand crank lathe and a spring loaded arm with a file attached to make the barrel round. The inside of the barrel would need some kind of inside cutter. Then I will need a cutter to rifle it. Not sure what is commercially available and what can be made.

    Any input on sizes of the inside of the barrel would be helpful also.

    I plan on putting a lot of time and care into this to get it to come out nice but I don't have a lot of money to spend on tools.
     
  2. robocop10mm

    robocop10mm Lifetime Supporting Member Lifetime Supporter

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    I don't think you have the first clue how difficult this will be.
     

  3. Axxe55

    Axxe55 The Apocalypse Is Coming.....

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    if you don't have a lot of money for the tools and equipment, then it's highly doubtful you will be able to make one.

    chambering reamers will be needed. a milling machine will be needed. rifling would need to be done by those with the tooling to do it.

    i think you are getting in way over your head on this project.
     
  4. danf_fl

    danf_fl Retired Supporter

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    Listen to these gentlemen.
    By the time you get the tools required, the material (it won't be on the first attempt), and time, you would have been better off to purchase aftermarket.

    Contact a couple of barrel makers.
     
  5. Jericho1911u22

    Jericho1911u22 New Member

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    I know how difficult it will be. There is no aftermarket barrel in this caliber and having a 1 off barrel would cost more than a gun most likely. It's not impossible though. I figured asking here may give me some useful information. Input from somebody who has done such a thing. But I should have known better. I know everything can be done with a basic lathe setup and I know I can build a basic lathe to do the cuts for almost nothing.

    I'm going to do it anyway because I like building stuff. Was hoping for input from somebody older and wiser who may have some experience. It is sad how most people assume only professionals can do things. I think it results in a lot of loss of knowledge that can be handed down from people who have actually done things. Or collaboration on figuring out how to do things.
     
  6. marc29th

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    I think you did get useful info about this. That no one has done it should tell you something. 1it is not easy, 2 is potential dangerous and life threatening of done wrong.

    If you really want a Makarov there are lots of low cost options out there.

    If you are still determined to do it yourself best of luck to you.
     
  7. JonM

    JonM Moderator

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    i have some experience and your not going to do it without a real lathe setup, one that is designed specifically around making a barrel. one of those woodworking setups isnt going to cut the mustard so to speak. thats just getting the outside diameter cut. next your going to need a mill to shave up the breech block area of the new barrel any typical metal working mill is good for cutting breach blocks.

    the problem your facing is enough precision to turn out a usable barrel that isnt a smooth bore. rifle is cut by either hammering barrel material around a reverse rifled spindle or drawing a cutting head through a pre-bored barrel. neither of which can be done short of a dedicated barrel making facility.

    so that leaves you with ordering a pre-made section of barrel and ordering it in the correct dimensions pre-cut.

    here is a very good article on how its done and has been done down the centuries.

    http://www.lasc.us/RangingShotBarrelMakingFeature.htm

    before you ask about how the arabs do it in the mud huts in the desert... they are only making the basic recievers all their barrels are made either in russian factories or factories in some other hell hole that just churns out cheap shody barrels by the millions with no real care whether the right metals are used or how worn the tools are or even if the barrel isnt off center bored.
     
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  8. triggerjob

    triggerjob New Member

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    Your right anything can be done. Generally even experienced gunsmiths with full machine shops don't make their own barrels. Its a specialty in its own accord. Just making the rifling cutting plugs will drive you nuts. Buying a set of calipurs accurate enough to size the broaches will cost as much as a barrel. Of course you could just make it smooth bore. The rifling cutting plugs need to be made in series with about .002 diference in size, you need 3 or 4 of them. THen you'll have to rigg up an arbor press with a long enough stroke to push the plugg. It can be done but it won't save you any money over just asking a barrel maker to make one for you. Or buying a short rifle blank in the approriate calibur and then shaping itb down
     
  9. triggerjob

    triggerjob New Member

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    I think you could find a used barrel in good condition by calling the parts guys in shotgun news, with an hour or two on th phone you'll find a barrel and you can spend ur time figuring out how to make ur own gunpowder and primers, which believe it or not is about as dangerous as making a gun barrel with melted down coke bottles and old ber cans. ;-), seriously though, try shotgun news you'd be surprised what you can dig up.
     
  10. Axxe55

    Axxe55 The Apocalypse Is Coming.....

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    you think you can build a lather that can make extremely accurate cuts?

    i worked one time many years ago in a facility that made many different types of gun parts and barrels included for pistols. that facility didn't even do the rifling of the barrels, it was sent out to a barrel maker.

    the figuring it out has already been done. i know how it's done, as do many others here. unless you have an extremely well equiped shop with the proper equipment and the time and experiance in running that equipment, i very seriously doubt you will ever make a usable barrel that will work safely.

    but you seem to think you are capable, so i wish you lots of luck and hope you don't injure yourself or others with your lack of common sense.
     
  11. HOSSFLY

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    Arrogance can be a dangerous thing--
    Lotsa luck ;)
     
  12. BillM

    BillM Active Member Supporter

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    Well--anything is possible. Grab a chunk of decent barrel steel and have at it. You could
    do the whole job with hand tools, no lathe required. You will be a master filer by the time
    you get done, but it's possible. Rifling. One of the Foxfire books (Foxfire 5?) has a pretty
    good write-up on how they did the bore honing and rifling WAY back in the day. You are probably
    going to learn how to make D reamers and do heat treating along the way. One other skill
    you will need is how to tie down a pistol so you can fire it with a L-O-N-G string.

    Oh yes--pull your head out and work on your attitude. You DID get good advise here, no reason to
    get snarky if you choose not to accept it.
     
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  13. regload

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    If you think you can build a lathe to do the job then you have proven that you don't have the tiniest amount of knowledge to tackle what you want. Give up while you still have all your appendages in place. The most anyone could do if they already had a lathe would be to modify/alter an existing rifled barrel from something else, IF they had the specs for the barrel they wanted to replace. Since you don't already have a lathe, or know how to use one (you wouldn't have started this thread if you did), you should focus on something else. Or, are you what's called a "troll" in forum-speak? Or some kind of federal agent?
     
  14. deadsp0t

    deadsp0t New Member

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    They say 'anything is possible...' I don't think so.. I don't believe anyone will be ridding a giraffe to the moon... Ever..
     
  15. HockaLouis

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    I think you should buy a commercial 9x18mm Makarov barrel. Then a registered frame through an FFL. Then get a slide and all the other parts necessary to complete the gun. It is probably cheaper to buy them all at once though.

    Obviously it isn't hard to make them in the first place if the Soviets could do it in the 50's. Yes, they had the benefit of stealing the Walther PP design. And yes, they stole the cartridge design too as well as the whole factories the things were made in making their job easier than yours would be. And, yes, their cheapened version of the guns were obsolete from the start, but, it would still be easier to get a job and spend a whole coupla hundred dollars than try to do it by hand. And safer as has been said. Plus you don't have the inspiring threat of being exiled to a gulag, don't have access to slave labor (I presume), and a Five Year Plan that takes 15 may be longer than you want to wait, so...
     
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