Help Indentifying a Rifle?

Discussion in 'General Rifle Discussion' started by redfan13, Dec 23, 2011.

  1. redfan13

    redfan13 New Member

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    This was my brothers gun, he passed away last year, and I don't know anything about this gun. I don't know if he even knew anything about it.
    To me it looks like a japanese rifle, but that could be way off.

    Here are some pictures of it.
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    "25798"
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    "<886"
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    Any help would be appreciated! Thanks!!
     
  2. texaswoodworker

    texaswoodworker New Member

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    It is a japanese rifle (most likely WW2), I don't know which type though. (I have not looked at too many jap rifles) See that flower on the reciever, I believe that is the mark of the emporer. It is rare for a rifle to have that still intact. The Japanese would hack it off with their knives/bayonets before they were captured as a sign of respect for their emporer. The US military would also remove it before allowing troops to send them home. That mark adds some value to the rifle.
     

  3. Firearms4ever

    Firearms4ever New Member

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    It is an Arisaka Type 44 Carbine I believe. I have an Arisaka Type 38 Rifle that my grandfather gave to me. Texas is pretty much spot on about the history of the flower on the reciever (I can't spell the name of it).
     
  4. Trez

    Trez Well-Known Member

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    Wow!! Nice!! Its a Type 44 Arisaka.. Its a carbine version of the Type 38. it shoots the 6.5x50mm round...

    Like others have said they are hard to find with the Mum intact, more than likely a vet bring back...
     
  5. texaswoodworker

    texaswoodworker New Member

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    After some research on the symbols on the rifle, I have found that you have a Arisaka Type 44 Carbine. Can you take a pic of the symbols next to the 25798? Those symbols tell you where it was made and possibly about when it was made.

    Here is a great site on identifying all of the symbols. http://www.radix.net/~bbrown/japanese_markings.html
     
  6. texaswoodworker

    texaswoodworker New Member

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    I think it is called a chrysanthemum. Had to look that up.:D
     
  7. Wambli

    Wambli New Member

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    Yes it is or a Mum for short. VERY difficult that rifle in all original condition with the markings intact. It must have been a very early war capture. You have a very valuable piece of history there. Treasure it.
     
  8. c3shooter

    c3shooter Administrator Staff Member

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    Good info above. The type 44 came in 3 different variations, each beefing up the bayonet. Your brothers rifle was made at the Koishikawa arsenal in Tokoyo up to 1935 (56,000 of them). Production then moved to the Kokura arsenal.

    Check the weird little revolving door on the buttplate- for cleaning rod. Ist model had 2 holes for rod, models 2 & 3 had one big hole.

    The Chrysanthemum (mum) was the symbol of the Emperor- all military arms were property of the monarch (SMLE rifles are maked with initials of King or Queen of Britain- same deal). Arms that were captured in combat have an intact mum. At the end of the war, to "save face" for the Emperor, SURRENDERED weapons had the mums ground off (agreement the Allies made). Defaced mum= souvenir of Japan. Intact mum= WAR trophy. Intact mum higher value.
     
  9. jpattersonnh

    jpattersonnh Active Member

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    That is a very nice rifle!! I sold my Japanese rifles. When I showed them to my Dad, he started to shake. They brought back bad memories. He would not even touch them. He was quite taken w/ my K98k's at the time though. He said they were covered in "dirty birds". God I miss him.
     
  10. 303tom

    303tom Well-Known Member

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    That is a Arisaka Type 44 Rifle & a nice one, more pictures........
     
  11. redfan13

    redfan13 New Member

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    Thanks for all the info!
    Awesome to hear it's such a piece of history.
    The great thing is I'm pretty sure my brother picked this gun up from an Auction for like 30 or 40 bucks.

    It has one hole in the stock, wasn't sure what it was for, it is missing the cleaning rods. Wouldn't mind finding the rods for it.
     
  12. TimL2952

    TimL2952 New Member

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    nice find...very hard to find those rifles with the flower in tact...after the war soldiers were ordered to file it off to save the shame from the Empire. Must be a trophy rifle someone brought back